You see Snake, the false propaganda regurgitated in the media for decade after decade is bound to impact upon how the Israel/Palestine situation is perceived among the general public. Many people, as many of the contributions on this site illustrate, have been brainwashed into believing that Israel's illegal encroachment on land that doesn't belong to them is somehow justified, predicated (presumably) on the misconception that the said land is theirs for them to be able to claw back. It really is Orwellian.
But, but there have been some Jews there since homo erectus first scampered out of Africa. I mean, how could anyone possibly argue that the land belongs to them in perpetuity?
DNA and/or the Biblical imperative justifies illegal modern day theft. Didn't they teach you anything at sunday school?
You'd think Israeli Jews would want to keep "Nazi" percolating on the front burner to remind them of their suffering in the days of yore. Auld lang syne (sp.)
Actually I rarely state my opinion and when I do I state that it is an opinion. An opinion of course as you need to prove how following all of these resolutions would enable Israel to survive the hatred which surrounds it, hatred which has been in place since their day of becoming a nation. Have you any facts to back up this opinion with?
and each can be discussed in their own threads. No problem! I will look at the British one It would be quite unusual I think in the UK at the moment for schools to be banning district language. Most are trying to save original district languages and bring them back. I had a look at your link and I don't see too much original in what they are saying. You can find that kind of language in many working class areas in England. In fact if you look the Headteacher said The teachers are right that if they want to do well in English at school, then they need to speak English. It will also help them if they want to go on to higher education or get anything other than a menial job. Seems the teachers have gone as far as they can to pacify the parents in saying they can speak like that at home but speak English in school. If there really is a different language other than the general sayings in the link, then that is what to do. Otherwise go for Independence!
I didn't look at it as deflection, which would have been something like "Oh yeah, well what about what Malaysia is doing, huh? You gonna call that fascist too?" (Not that a particular poster would do so in any event) but rather more like this kind of stuff is happening everywhere, so that the better question to ask would be - why is this happening all across the world? And the answer is that governments everywhere are finding it easy to do so. It's as if every last one of them read 1984 and saw it as a how-to manual when it's supposed to be something we DON'T allow to happen. And now Israel has bought into it. Go ahead and bash Israel for it - it certainly deserves it in this case - but the mark of a typical anti-Semetic moron would be the person who ONLY sees what Israel does and is incapable of seeing it anywhere else, especially within their own ideological allies. Or perhaps someone who sees what Israel did as the problem, when rather it's a symptom OF a GLOBAL problem. And no, not you. You, TMR, and Snake are probably the only sane posters from Brit-Cit, and somewhere in the top twenty posters here. The interesting thing is that here, we had schools promoting "Ebonics", so they were going the opposite way of this school. Knowing the Political Correctness that is still wildly pervasive in American education, insisting that kids stop speaking it would be answered with cries of racism. You just can't win here.
You love trotting out your canard and simplistic caricature, don't you? - plucky little Israel surrounded by nasty evil Mooooooooooooslem savages. The United States will ensure Israel will survive just fine despite your tendency to selectively trump past irrelevant rhetorical flourishes of some of its opponents at the expense of pragmatic diplomacy favoured by the majority TODAY.
Nor me. When people become emotionally messed up and lose all sense of reality they often engage in calling somebody Hitler or Nazis. It is the mark of a moron to tell the truth.
Speaking of the devil: (Reuters) - Israel's prime minister has increased the amount of occupied territory he wants to keep after any peace deal with the Palestinians, state media reported on Thursday, a move that could complicate U.S.-backed efforts to reach an accord. Army Radio said Netanyahu, in his talks with Kerry, cited a biblical connection to the Beit El area, noting its depiction in the Book of Genesis as the place where Jacob dreamt about a ladder to heaven. http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/16/us-palestinians-israel-idUSBREA0F0IP20140116
There are some interesting videos of Arabs screaming at each other and calling each other Kalbs or Sharmutaass. What's your point ?
I used to drink occasionally with a guy from Crieff. I swear to God that, for about two years, I couldn't understand a word he was saying. It was, apparently, 'English'!
I agree with increasing limitation on free speech. OK, not sure if you want all this but.... I said in my first post I was unsure of this. However because there has been such a concerted effort at stopping free speech concerning Israel, I believe it is valid. The EU working definition on Antisemitism for instance suggested that anything which could be antisemitism be treated as if it were antisemitism. This was the so called 'new antisemitism' which considered criticism of Israel as antisemitism. That stopped a lot of intellectual debate for several years till 2011 when Britain's largest academic Union decided to drop it for that reason. http://www.jpost.com/International/UK-academic-union-rejects-EU-definition-of-anti-Semitism This caused uproar despite the reality that they were going to implement appropriate measures against antisemitism. The EU itself discarded it a couple of months ago http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-of-antisemitism--its-about-time-8986565.html In this case it is easy to perceive it as Israel trying to do what she has done in the past, i.e. manipulate antisemitism in order to stop criticism and I think that that is particularly appropriate after the recent uproar over Walkers of Pink Floyd who has been doing this for several years and who most people declare is not antisemetic. This is seen by Israel as dangerous in connection to BDS and there were plenty of articles saying that. Obviously because you are, at least I think you are, strongly pro Israel you will not see these things as a problem but from my viewpoint if Israel had been brought in line a long time ago, things could now be looking a lot better not just for both Israelis and Palestinians but throughout the whole ME. Israel has imo now reached her end game in colonising the whole of Palestine. Hence drastic methods are needed to stop that. http://jfjfp.com/?p=54913 However going back to the word Nazi. It has been considered in Europe to be antisemetic to use it since the EUWDA....but we see Israeli's using it all the time and we see their most Islamaphobe supporters doing likewise. I noticed the Times of Israel having an article yesterday on their prominent Politicians use of the word, never mind extremists who dub the word and it's symbols all over Arab communities. So, why decide to ban it now. The Guardian said using the word Nazi and its symbols led to discussion. Surely that is good. I would suggest particularly the amount of work Israel has done to use 'antisemtism' as propaganda the banning and jail sentences for the use of the word Nazi and it's symbols it likely for two reason. 1) To stop Israelis and others from discussing things which might lead to them thinking about things more deeply and I suspect the other motivation is the hope to then be able to say to the outside world, we really think this is incredibly antisemetic and hurtful to us. Please also put your people in jail if they do it....and eventually things like that do have a backlash and we can possibly see that in the Dieudonne issue in France - though I am not sure what is going on there.. It is I think a knife edge one concerning antisemitism and ideally would be better not used, but there again Israel and her supporters have in recent years been the people by far the most prone to using it against others. Now some outsiders, for instance Walkers who has been doing it for years, are also are now being noticed and causing concern due to the rising influence of BDS. This new rule is being brought in by Jewish Home and their suggested reason is to bring Israel in line with rules on antisemitism outside of Israel. I am imagining he is talking about the EUWDA and given that that, which was always a 'working' definition but never worked on, is now in the bin, I am not sure that is still so....possibly more a hope for the future. I think there is also a feeling that all prejudice should be treated on the same level and that antisemitism has been given a much wider field than say prejudice against Muslims in Europe. For instance the far right here gave up voicing it's antisemitism and took to voicing islamophobia in order to fit in with the far right in the US and so get funds. Had they spoken about Jews in the same way they speak of Muslims there would have been serious consequences. It is concerning that it is possible in the US and Europe to speak of Muslims in ways which would be totally unacceptable about Jews - I am not of course talking about people discussing various actions by extremists etc but the immense stereotyping of Muslims which is done. It would be totally unacceptable towards Jews. The standards on racism need to be the same for all. http://www.lobelog.com/islamophobia-bad-for-the-jews/ Again this seems to be what Dieudonne is feeding on in France. awe thank you We are too. I was not being PC at all, just my thoughts on how I read that article. The argument is that dialects and local language is being lost. I just wasn't sure if that was so in this case. Also if people in England do want to progress they do need to be able to speak English properly and many people do not stay in the same place all their lives. School wants to give kids the best chance possible. I know in Orkney and the Shetlands they are furious about being forced to speak only English in school and feel they have lost a lot of their own language and they do have a point. I guess I could have said that in classes they could be expected to speak English properly but speak how they want in play time. Immigrants to the school also said they preferred their children learning proper English. We have had a big thing about this in Scotland. We should be speaking Scots or Gaelic, Scots being a Scottish version of English. My grand daughter started school in September and brought home her first poem to learn which was in Scots. You can also buy lots of well known children's books written in Scots. I bought her The Gruffalo. Her Mum loved it but my grand daughter has never brought it to me to read again.....ah well. So that is my personal opinion. I agree we should not lose our local language and that school is one of the places if need be where that should be brought in but at the same time if we are all living and working and communicating together we need a language which we can all share. At the moment that is English in the UK and if schools want to help their children they need to help them speak good English including proper grammar. When I wrote my previous post I thought, what if one of those kids wanted to be a tourist guide...the people would not understand what they were saying..so yes, keep your own language but if you are going to speak English speak it properly if you want to keep all opportunities open to you, keeping of course your own accent.
Tell me about it. We live just at the gateway to the Highlands. I was visiting a hospital about 20 miles North. My daughter asked one of the female workers where she could park and came back baffled as she could not understand a word she said!!!
Our version of that here in the States is Cajun. I know they're saying something but it takes a long time to get used to their particular dialect. I'm in California now and I don't see many of them here. A few years ago, there was a story of a Cajun who walked into a store holding a gun while trying to rob the place. He was completely unsuccessful as no one could understand a word he was saying, even with him waving the gun around. Everyone ignored him, and he eventually left empty-handed.
Sane Israeli voices; As I said, only fascists would benefit from such political speech castration. Who is suggesting it becomes law ?
Let's continue to talk about laws in Israel, while Arab nazis are killing each others in Syria, by the thousands each month ! Blahhhhh
Better yet, let's derail any discussion of what Israel is doing by interjecting tangents about Arabs and Muslims. (Because, dontcha know, other people doing wrong makes Israel's wrongs... right!) Or, we could just post in one of the numerous threads about Arabs and muslims, where such points would be on topic.
