Barack Obama "The Rock Star Legal Professor" is a Total Fraud

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  1. Albert Di Salvo

    Albert Di Salvo New Member

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    What domestic or international law authorizes unrestricted Drone War against people in countries with which America is not at war?
     
  2. Albert Di Salvo

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    That's a good law school. What happened to you? JK
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No specific laws that I know of. I suppose it would fall under military acts. But I'm not an international use of force law expert.
     
  4. Albert Di Salvo

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    What do you think the impact of that will be on the United States?
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm not sure. I used to consider myself a conservative and voted for Reagan. But now my views are considered pretty liberal and I wouldn't want to call myself a conservative.

    Funny think is, my views haven't really changed all that much.
     
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    So lets see.

    His employer calls him Professor.

    His students call him Professor.

    Only his opponents whine and cry "But he was no Professor"

    I just think it is hilarious that you buy into this crap.
     
  7. Albert Di Salvo

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    There is no American law authorizing Obama's unrestricted Drone War against residents of countries with which America is not at war. Similarly, there is no such international law or legal doctrine.

    What do you call someone who wages war without authorization in domestic or international law? Such a person is called a war criminal.
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hard to say. There is the immediate effect of reducing the capacity of organizations dedicated to harm us (eg removing Bin Laden) and then the collateral consequence of creating more anti-Ameircan sentiment.
     
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    And what law school did you go to Albert?
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What is your background and expertise that qualifies you to make such a statement?

    Reagan? Bush? Kennedy? Johnson? Nixon? Clinton?
     
  11. Albert Di Salvo

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    Change happens. I used to be an ardent American patriot, or at least I considered myself to be one. Not any more. Now ideals are more important to me than a political regime.
     
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    Not if you judge by spelling, keeping homonyms straight, or basic grammar ability!

    But I guess if daddy gives you stock so you can buy all your term papers while getting your MBA, that isn't an issue, eh?
     
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    I am not a lawyer but in my opinion there hasn't been a strictly legal American military action since World War 2- the last time Congress declared war.

    So in a grand sense- yes Obama's actions are as illegal as every President since then. But I have gotten over my strict constructionist view that unless we have a declaration of war, we shouldn't be fighting a war.
     
  14. Albert Di Salvo

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    Check this out (and just wait until the Osama movie is released before the election):


    [video=youtube;HfaKSX3m7Tk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfaKSX3m7Tk[/video]
     
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    I'm not sure that Lincoln was a con-artist more so than any other politician, but there was definitely a cult of personality built around him after his death. He was practically deified and remains godlike to this day.

    Oh, you were talking about Obama?
     
  16. Albert Di Salvo

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    Things changed during the Bush administration with the advent of Lawfare. Lawfare is a weapon to be used against presidents who go to war. It was used to take down Bush. If Obama is reelected you are really going to see Lawfare used against him in order to discredit him.
     
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    Oh well, lots of people are murdered every day, so it's just fine and dandy that the President does it. At least, so long as he is in my party!
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    OK. And?

    You didn't respond to my question: "What is your background and expertise that qualifies you to make such a statement?"
     
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    Why do you think that?
     
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    That uncomfortable feeling is what is left of your moral compass.
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    More that it is a grey area tough to draw a line that can be abused.
     
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    It's only a grey area for those uncertain of their ethics.
     
  23. Albert Di Salvo

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    I've studied the Congressional Authorization which permitted Bush to attack the Taliban after 9/11. It authorizes action in Afghanistan, not in Pakistan, not in Yemen and not in Somalia. Congress didn't authorize a war on terror. It authorized a response in Afghanistan to the specific attack on 9/11. Bush was careful; his drone attacks were very limited (but still unauthorized). Obama immediately changed the policy and began unrestricted drone war against the residents of countries that had nothing to do with 9/11.

    The UN Charter allowed a response to the attack on 9/11, but does not allow a global drone war based in the middle east, north africa, the indian ocean basin, east africa, or elsewhere. The UN has asked America for an explanation of this drone war and several UN officials have denounced it as a violation of international law. Harold Koh from DOJ, who was an anti-war activist against Bush, didn't have an answer except a mealy mouthed reference to self-defense.

    Obama is waging unrestricted drone war because he can't take prisoners. The left made such a big deal over Bush and Gitmo and torture, that Obama feels he has to kill these folks instead of capturing them.

    There are two types of drone strikes. Specific assassinations against targeted individuals, and something entirely new under Obama. I'm referring to drone strikes based on pattern analysis without any knowledge of who is being killed. It's based on pattern analysis software. If a drone detects someone making what it is programmed to recognize as a wrong move, it alerts the operator and the trigger is pulled. Ultimately, Obama will take the operator out of the loop in the interests of efficiency.

    So what we have is Obama conducting a drone war in countries with which the US is not at war, and then killing people who have not been identified as specific terrorists. I think this is a war crime and that Obama should be remanded to the Hague for trial.
     
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    The University of Santa Clara. Then I went on to get a LL.M. (Tax) at Golden Gate University in your home town.
     
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    Bush was beaten to death with Lawfare. That set the treatment for all subsequent American presidents who go to war without a declaration of war.
     

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