BC is NOT "proof" of "natural born" citizenship (too bad!)

It's best not to give these threads too much attention.

 

You know, intelligent people can have a conversation without passing around sheets with the footnotes. This is the meaning of the words themselves. "Natural born US citizen" is a bit like using the term "natural born fool", meaning in the former that the person was born a US citizen, and in the latter that the person was born a fool.

All that is required for NBC status is that the child is born with US citizenship. US law barely even acknowledges foreign citizenship, let alone use the parent's citizenship status as a limit on the child's citizenship status. US law is usually very clear on the matter of the parent's situation being separate from the child's situation. Children are not punished for the crimes of the parents, etc.

Which of these issues would you like cited? I'm not really inclined to go do a bunch of footwork providing footnotes in an internet argument with birthers, who have a nasty habit of simply disregarding evidence they don't like in favor of their own imaginary statutes.

 

I agree!

Especially so when you cant prove your position or standing and your adversary has all the goods on ya! lol

Most people just give it lip service based on what they think not what is reality in law.

 

if you understood what you are saying you would know it is impossible to be a natural born fool.


I usually do not get intoit on this topic with troughers either, but since we are here, I made several points in previous posts that you can rebut with cases or whatever it is you think you have

 

I can't believe this is still going on...lol...quite funny though...

 

I just sigh and smirk now, when I see some serious "Birther" speak out.

 

What reichpublicans are really saying is they hate a black(only half black really) being president.


Reichpublicans are racist. That is why they had racists speak at CPAC.

 

Being born in the jurisdiction to parents who are subject to the jurisdiction.

The concept extends far back into the British realm, when Kings took pride in calling anyone born under their crown a natural-born subject, even if their parents weren't subjects.

 

unfortunately that is true and not funny, its sad.

 

the constitution is racist!

 

Yep, pretty much.

 

well yes and no.

it was a bona-fide contract then revokable by either party.

That is why america was created, the king breached the covenant and the people called him out on the carpet over it and wanted to be granted local control which the king eventually did grant.

The idea of "natural born" goes back a long way and is for politcal and taxation purposes.




Commissioners composing the Congress at New York, in 1765

NO. 8.​

Declaration of Rights by the Congress at New York, in October, 1765.
The members of this congress, sincerely devoted, with the warm(*)est sentiments of affection and duty, to his majesty's person and gov(*)ernment, inviolably attached to the present happy establishment of the protestant succession, and with minds deeply impressed by a sense of the present and impending misfortunes of the British colonies on this continent; having considered, as maturely as time will per(*)mit, the circumstances of the said colonies, esteem it our indispensa(*)ble duty to make the following declarations of our humble opinion, respecting the most essential rights and liberties of the colonists, and of the grievances under which they labor, by reason of several late , acts of parliament.


1. That his majesty's subjects in these colonies, owe the same allegiance to the crown of Great Britain, that is owing from his sub(*)jects bom within the realm, and all due subordination to that august body the parliament of Great Britain.


2. That his majesty's liege subjects in these colonies, are entitled to all the inherent rights and liberties of his natural born subjects, within the kingdom of Great Britain.



This is nothing new to anyone who has cracked a history book, but for some reason people today cannot grasp there are rules that go along with determining who is a natural born liege free-man and who is not. Most seem to think it only extends to kid dropping on soil without the boundaries of the 50 states, they should try telling that to immigration sometime and see how far it gets them. LOL

Today its a we own your ass..... period...... contract, and if you want to annul you walk from everything you ever had and all investments you made therein.

Unless of course you are haliburton! LMAO

 

Good I guess that settled the matter!

Now who wants to give thebad news to the judges and the trougher-bots?

 

I suggest you go right out and do that. Don't bring a gun with you, because I really don't want to hear that you got arrested on weapons charges, but I strongly suggest you go out and start performing 'citizen' arrests on all you think are complicit.

Since virtually everyone in the United States disagrees with your whacky theory, I am sure it will turn out about as well as those folks who announce that they aren't paying their income taxes because they are unconsitutional.

I would wish you good luck, but since you are trying to unconstitutionally overthrow our legally elected President- I will limit it to just hoping you don't hurt yourself or anyone else.

 

And, since there is no evidence either the Obama family or the U.S. government "revoked" the "contract" by which anyone born in the U.S. is a natural-born citizen, nothing in your post is a rebuttal of what I said.

 

Maybe you should ask someone who has a Harvard Law degree

 

Not according to Trump, because black men are just too stupid to understand law, according to the Truthers.

More racist truther crap. Nothing to see here. Move along, move along.

 

Good point. The whole "Birther" thing is nothing but cover for some of the most RACIST attitudes I've seen in decades.

 

yeh the guy in the op does in fact, not good enough for ya huh?

 

So birthers... things are kind of quiet on the birther front... when's the next circus?

 

none of these courts have gone to the merits and they never will because if they did someone would have to kick him out of the chair.

they all base their decisions from well joe over there said he is good and never look further by discovery to see if joe is telling the truth.

but then who needs truth in a modern world?

 

Dr. Herb Titus is a moron. He's explicitly going against the Supreme Court's interpretation of the matter. A person is a natural born citizen if they are born with US citizenship. That happens either by being born on US soil, or being born to a parent who is a US citizen. Either method is acceptable according to US law. A person's parent does not need to be a citizen in order to be a natural born citizen. There is no such legal precedent anywhere in US law to support the claim that both conditions must be true, and US law typically treats foreign citizenship as irrelevant in matters of US citizenship (which is why dual citizenship is allowed in the US).

Indeed, if both conditions must be true, then almost no American is a natural born American citizen. Most of us have foreign citizens in our relatively near family history.

 

The law is crystal clear and you will not find it repealed.

I count at a minimum a 4 count disqualification.

but then who cares its only the law! Thats for us little people to obey, not government!

Herb Titus is 500% spot on! He read the law.