Believer or not, your epitome of desire, is to be named the Greatest I am.

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  1. Cougarbear

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    Nope! Fake news. And, God is the God of the Bible.
     
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    Until it's over. Then it's what you had, even though you are still you. Salvation is a process of improving who we are thru the life we have, providing that it is ones chosen course. If you don't want it, that's your choice.
     
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    The form may change...but nothing is lost or destroyed.
     
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    So then the God referred to in the Quran is a fake God?
    "In the Quran, there are many stories about the life and teachings of Jesus Christ (called 'Isa in Arabic). The Quran recalls his miraculous birth, his teachings, the miracles he performed by God's permission, and his life as a respected prophet of God. The Quran also repeatedly reminds that Jesus was a human prophet sent by God, not part of God Himself."
     
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    " Captain, you sing and dance as well as any man I know, but what in Hell are you talking about?"

    Harcourt Fenton Mudd

    Of course, we're all Gods, there aren't any Gods so we're as good as any
     
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    It's the best part, whatever you call it.

    When the Frost is on the pumpkin
    That's the time for Dickie Dunkin
    But when's the weather's hot and sticky
    That too's the time to dunk your Dicky

    Dicky. Dunkin. Is. Good.
     
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    Yes sir! Fake!
     
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    Who said the bible is infallible? Not me. There are errors of translation. The Bible has the word of God in it. The Holy Ghost tells us so and bears record of this truth. The Bible is the blueprint of the Church of Jesus Christ in OT and NT times, as well as in the present times. But, it takes the testimony of two or more in Jesus Christ. The Book of Ezekiel testifies that in the last days, there will be two books that will testify of the Godhead and the Lord Jesus Christ. The book of Judah (Bible) and the book of Joseph through Ephraim (The Book of Mormon). Together and with the testimony of the Holy Ghost, those with faith and the desire for the truth can know with both books that Jesus is the Christ (Messiah). And, that God is God.
     
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    And we know the invisible Holly Ghost is real because the Bible says so. More circular logic. What is your claimed proof that the Holly Ghost is real?
     
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    How can God of Quran be fake....and God of Bible be not fake?.
    Is there not only one God?
     
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    No, several. Zeus, Apollo, Athena, Hathor, Odin, Freya, and lots more depending on whether your authority is Greek, Roman, Norse, Aztec, or Marvel
     
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    No we don't. This is the lack of knowledge and understanding of atheists. The Bible doesn't prove the existence of the Godhead. It is evidence that there is a Godhead of The Father, Son and Holy Ghost. The proof comes from asking the Father, in the name of the Son with the Holy Ghost bearing personal testimony of this. Without faith, you will never know or understand this. In the Book of Mormon, Nephi had great faith. His brothers Laman and Lemuel did not. All three saw angels, heard angels and were taught by angels from heaven. But, only Nephi was able to understand and use faith to believe in the teachings of the angels and live the commandments of God. His brothers were unable to and soon put off the knowledge and manifestations of the angels before them. They began to murmur against God, Nephi and his father Lehi. They rebelled as you are doing. Yet, I am not because of my faith, I know when the Holy Ghost bears truth and witness to me that the Father lives, Jesus is the Christ and the Bible and Book of Mormon is evidence of this.
     
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    When we understand, God refers to the Godhead. The Father, Son and the Holy Ghost (Spirit). The God of Quran is not the Father in the Bible. Nor is that God the Son or Jesus Christ. The Quran only has Jesus a minor prophet but not the God of Abraham. Nor is the God of the Quran the Holy Ghost. So no, the God of Quran is a made up fake God for the enemy of Israel, Islam.
     
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    No actual proof of any claims. Which you freely admit. Just the so called faith created by brainwashing.
     
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    I think it's akin to a meeting of the minds. Only it is of a finer spirit. Pardon my frankness, but that you have no knowledge of it is nothing to boast about. I mean, does one walk about and say, hey look at me I'm stupid?
     
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    No, he said that you can know for yourself, IE: "The proof comes from asking the Father, in the name of the Son with the Holy Ghost bearing personal testimony of this".
     
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    Notice how the Holly Spirit never comes up with anything that can be verified by science like (for example) the germ theory. Or verified at all. In other words the Holly Spirit appears to be nothing more than a delusion.

    But prove me wrong. Ask the Father, in the name of the Son, via the Holly Spirit to tell you the last 4 digits of my SSN and the amount of my tax refund for 2020. Then reply with this information and if correct I will give witness that your Holly Spirit is real.
     
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    This is so typical of Christians. When asked for evidence of claims they respond with a logical fallacy. In this case an ad hominem attack.
     
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    You obviously don't even understand brainwashing. Another fine mess you are in. I have proof which I freely admit. The Holy Ghost bears the truths in the scriptures and does so of my own free will. The same free will that you reject and attempt to brainwash others of your disbeliefs. Just like Laman and Lemuel in The Book of Mormon, another testament of Jesus Christ.
     
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    If you have proof present it. Claiming you just know doesn't prove anything.

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    As I have stated, you don't know that your atheist ideology is true either. So, prove it. See, I could put above the doors, "You know the Bible isn't true" because, "the Bible doesn't tell you so." Now, that would actually be correct because then the Holy Ghost would be telling you the Bible isn't true because you have no other way of knowing. Either way, it takes faith. Faith in God or Faith in Man. Man can't be trusted so I'll go with faith in God. The Holy Ghost tells me the Bible is evidence of God.
     
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    Firstly, I do not assert there is no God. You assert there is. The burden of proof falls on the person making claims.

    I do know the Bible is not true because of science. For brevity, let's just take the creation story. It is proven wrong by many things including: 1) evolution (DNA, DNA sequencing, fossil records); 2) geology (no evidence of global flood; 3) radiometric dating; and 4) conflicting creation stories http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/accounts.html -- and 5) the flat earth/firmament description of the Earth in the Bible is disproven by basic Earth Science such as I took in 7th grade.
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    http://bibleflatearth.com/

    Science, BTW, requires proof of claims.

    Since you apparently are a Mormon do you believe claims that there are men living on the moon and Sun?
    https://www.mrm.org/moon-men
     
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    Like your taxes and SSN, salvation is a personal matter. And the science is in the doing. If taking the requisite steps is too much for you, that's your decision/challenge. Cougar Bear has laid out the steps plainly to you. I can tell you that the steps are true and verifiable. But you must do it for yourself. The sense of accomplishment is a personal matter which science cannot frame or measure. It can follow and measure up to a point, but then it is lost, blinded by the light so to speak, wherein there is communion of spirit, and science forbidden. Gladness is not measurable. Does that mean there is none in your life? Have you no camaraderie among like minded friends, or shared exhilaration in a common pursuit. Have you never laughed with a loved one and soared like an eagle far above the stone dungeon of stoicism. Why would you say there is no divine or finer spirit when your entire life is sprinkled with it to a lesser degree in concept like spice to stew. Where is the proof, you ask?
     
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