Believer or not, your epitome of desire, is to be named the Greatest I am.

Not a personal attack. Just a bit of an exaggeration for the purpose of making a point. You are clearly not stupid.

 

Ummm...no, we do not believe there are people living on thei sun or moon. But, we do believe there are other worlds in which our Father in Heaven have populated. It's just we are the most viscous world one that would kill their God. That's why this earth was made. Where the atonement could happen.

The hypocrisy of your first statement is absurd. "Oh, I don't say there isn't no God. Just you can't believe there is." But, that's the mentality of atheists trying to cover their bases. Then, you claim the Bible isn't true because of science. We've never said the Bible has to follow science. Even though it does. What it doesn't do is follow your opinions or conclusions of observational science and experimental science. And, you have to use an anti-God website to try and prove your points. Why not just use the data from the experiments and see if the observational science concerning old universe-earth works. It doesn't. DNA sequencing is a crapshoot. There was an anti-Mormon group that tried to disprove the Book of Mormon's claims that the people in the America's originally came from Jerusalem 600 BC using DNA. Well, the conclusion is based on only people from the tribe of Judah or Benjamin DNA would show up in North and South American indigenous people. But, the hypothesis used is totally incorrect. First, The Book of Mormon and the Church never have claimed that only Judah and Benjamin ancestors came to the Americas. In fact, the B of M tells of other people that came to the Americas before Lehi did in 600 BC. And, they were not people of Israel. They were people who came here at the collapse of the Tower of Babel. And, there were others. Not only that, Lehi was not of the tribe of Judah or Benjamin. He was from the tribe of Joseph through Manasseh. Most of them were carried away with the other 9 tribes. Only Judah and half of Benjamin remained in Jerusalem. So, of course the indigenous people of the Americas would not have the same DNA as those Judah Jews in Israel now.
Fossil records and dating? LOL!!! You do realize that when you use radiometric dating of any kind, you have to put into the equation the approximate age of the earth and universe. So, the answers will range from very young to very old based on old earth or young earth theories. And, the error rates are huge in this sort of dating. Very unreliable.
It's you that thinks the bible represents a flat earth/firmament description of the Earth. It doesn't. But, to prove your point, you will say it anyway. The Bible never has stated that the earth is flat. On the contrary. So, that is just a big lie atheists like to spread rumors because it sounds good.
There is by far more evidence now of the global flood than not. Old earth and disbelievers try to fit square pegs in round holes over this. There is plenty of scientific evidence that can only be explained because of the Flood. This is just one example of many: https://www.icr.org/article/12855/?...m_campaign=July+Acts+&+Facts+is+now+available

 

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So what if I tell you the following:

• I was in my room one night.
• Suddenly, my room became exceedingly bright.
• Next thing I know there is an angel in my room.
• He tells me an amazing story.
• He says that there is a set of ancient golden plates buried in the side of a hill in New York.
• On them are the books of a lost race of Jewish people who inhabited North America.
• These plates bear inscriptions in the foreign language of these people.
• Eventually the angel leads me to the plates and lets me take them home.
• Even though the plates are in a foreign language, the angel helps me to decipher and translate them.
• Then the plates are taken up into heaven, never to be seen again.
• I have the book that I translated from the plates. It tells of amazing things -- an entire civilization of Jewish people living here in the United States 2,000 years ago.
• And the resurrected Jesus came and visited these people!
• I also showed the golden plates to a number of real people who are my eye witnesses, and I have their signed attestations that they did, in fact, see and touch the plates before the plates were taken up into heaven.

 

What does this have to do with what I wrote? I was answering his questions and showing where DNA and other issues he has were wrong. What does this have to do with your plagiarizing Joseph Smith's writings? The answer to your question and any other so-called belief including scripture is to study, mediate and pray to find out the truth. If this was you, I'm sure I'd identify these as plagiarizing statements and fake after praying to the Father in the name of the Son and receiving conformation from the Holy Ghost.

 

What does it have to do with what you wrote? The answer is one word and that word is GULLABILITY.

And radiometric dating does not require an estimate of the age of the Earth. It produces an estimate of the age of the Earth based on the decay of radioactive isotopes. And then of course there are other pesky geological facts like the formation of sedimentary rocks, erosion, etc. that prove the Bible claims about creation are false.

Next you will claim the Earth is flat.

 

I love this Brigham Young quote: “Every time you kick ‘Mormonism’ you kick it upstairs; you never kick it downstairs. The Lord Almighty so orders it.”

 

Yes. You will not believe if you don't make believe. If you refuse to pretend, you won't be able to deceive yourself. Makes perfect sense to me.

 

No. But many walk around effectively saying "hey look at me, I am self deluded". And they are often too stupid to see themselves doing it, so maybe stupid does play a role.

 

So your ignorance of my knowing makes me stupid? That's like saying that zero is greater than one. Your ignorance of the existence of God is not a knowledge. It is an unknowing, in which the only certainty is that you don't know anything more than that you don't know within the life in which you are ensconced in living and in which you delight. We converse here, almost by magic from different places in a neutral zone called the internet. But God cannot bridge the gap between his realm and ours of his creating? You think that a God who can communicate or make his will known among men is unbelievable and far fetched. And yet we are now living in the far fetched and unbelievable were it offered in consideration to former times and peoples. So we live in the concept which you keep at bay, and make science your God. But science cannot enter or measure the realm of spirit....only bow to the light of love, peace, tranquility, satisfaction, gladness, hope and so forth. Science dawdles, browses and sleeps at the fringe of spirit like a hitched horse, having nowhere to be or go but where its rider commands it. Do we worship horses, locomotives, cars, planes, our homes and building standards, vaccines, satellites, spaceships, computers, our phones, government....do we worship our tools and pray to idols of our own making? Science has its place. Is there no place for true worship? To whom do we give thanks for the cause of edification and not consume it upon our lusts. There is more to life than life.

 

Interesting that you would raise this, because he clearly hasn't done so even if he does exist. An all powerful and benevolent God that wants us to know him and know what he wants us to know would simply have us know it. Then and only then could we make informed decisions on how to act on it, and then and only then could he coherently pass judgment.

There would be no need for written texts, that different people translate differently, indistinguishable to most humans from other false religious texts that other religions form around. That your imagined God did not make it clear to all, yet judges people based on how they follow what he purportedly says, shows he is either unjust or doesn't exist. Since you further define him as perfectly good, he doesn't exist, at least not how you define him.

Yes you do. God is of your own making and you worship it. I don't worship anyone or anything.

I give thanks to those who actually make my life better. My mom and dad to start, who are responsible for bringing me into this world, not some imagined God. And I also won't look to an imaginary being for forgiveness when I do something wrong. I will try to make it right or at least seek to make amends with the actual person I wronged.

 

What is magic? Well I would say Gold plates that disappear after being translated by an supernatural Angel are magic. Why can't your God find a better means of transmitting knowledge than disappearing Gold plates?

What is "true worship" if you cannot prove the supernatural being you worship is real. I get that you and others have a psychological need for a supernatural God. All part of the denial that we and everyone else is going to die. What I do not get is how you suspend your critical thinking.

BTW, feelings in no way meet the burden of proof for supernatural claims.

 

Brigham Young was a racist who defended slavery as the curse of Caine and justified killing the enemies of his cult as blood atonement.

 

So you think that were there a God, he should say, do, and be according to your measure? Sounds like you are the one creating a God who doesn't exist. And then saying well then, he existeth not. Therefore the true and living God whom Injeun knows exists must be a God of his own creation in whom he has erred and gone too far in his pursuit unto delusions, having deluded himself by his own imagination...as if Injeun were a lesser you, of weaker intellect and constitution, pivoted into madness. Do you think God should appear in the sky to all the earth and mankind at once for you to know and believe? Does a farmer harvest every plant, tree and field at once, whether ripe or green or newly planted seed. And thus spoil it all but a few. Where is the wisdom in that? Does one feed a steak to a newborn, or pablum to the strong? God is about his business all the time. He does not check in with you or me for the rightness of his ways. It is good that you honor your Parents for giving you life. But to be honest, a marsupial can do as much. Likewise every plant, insect and creature on the earth brings forth seed after its own kind. Life is a miracle. But we err to think we are the cause rather than the beneficiaries of divine benevolence. God has proven to me that he is real and that he lives. And it is not a conclusion or a construction of reason on my part. But rather an answer to an earnest prayer. I have not surmised anything of it, nor parroted in rote a notion or concept which might be construed to be an idol. I do not merely believe there is a God. I know it. And I know it better than I know anything. Were my life a dream from which I awoke, I would still know that God lives. On that fact my faith is dead or unrequired. God lives. Do with it what you will. But that is me. I tell you no lie.

 

God proved himself to me. So I cannot prove him to you. Only he can do that. That make sense? As for the gold plates, again you'd have to ask God. What or who people choose to worship or not is their own business. Not to mention our constitutional right to do so. I'm posting here because the topic is about God/religion.

 

So you hold your God to a lower standard than society holds deadbeat dads. Cause as a society we expect deadbeat dads to do a little more than just put in an appearance whereas for you it is OK for God to not even put in an appearance.

Of course not putting in an appearance could not possibly be because God does not exist.

 

Huh. Your words smack of a caricature.

 

Many of us have had very negative impact from religion and post accordingly.

 

Should I post some of his quotes on the subject?

 

IMO, God does not go away from us. We go away from him. Violate mans laws and you get punished. Violate the laws of science and you get injured, maimed and dead. But violate Gods laws 24/7 for ones entire life and he reaches out his mercy to us all our days without judgment, calling us to reconciliation in a private multitude of ways along the course. He has never failed me. My lamentations are for my own misconduct.

 

Sure, as long as they are in context.

 

Let's start with racism.

The quotes are listed below and the context via the link. The second quote demonstrates not only racism, but mental illness.

In the kingdom of God on the earth the Affricans cannot hold one
partical of power in Government.


In the preisthood I will tell you what it will do. Where the
children of God to mingle there seed with the seed of Cain it would not
only bring the curse of being deprived of the power of the preisthood
upon themselves but the entail it upon their children after them, and
they cannot get rid of it. If a man in an ungaurded moment should
commit such a transgression, if he would walk up and say cut off my
head, and kill man woman and child it would do a great deal towards
atoneing for the sin.

https://www.mrm.org/topicsdocuments-speechesbrigham-youngs-1852-speech-slavery

 

Go way from God? How so? Millions are groveling (worshiping) constantly and your God remains invisible. I hate to tell you this, but if you become an amputee and pray for a new limb, your God will fail you. You can pray for the children around the World who don't have adequate food or water and your God will do nothing.

 

I don't have a problem with that. All any of us can do is reflect from our experience. I've never considered myself a particularly religious person. I just know that God is real and I build off of that. And I'm not religiously prudent. I often find myself liking people who are irreligious and who many others hate. For instance, I think Connor McGregor and Donald Trump are a hoot...funny, smart and fearless. But many people, maybe most can't stand them for even a moment.

 

I like Connor McGregor. A great martial artist and also a great entertainer.

 

I would expect he, she, it, or they to be good if defined as good. A deist amoral creator turned non-intervening God can't be disproved. You claim yours to be all powerful and all good, so yours can be disproved.

An all powerful God would not have to do any such thing. An all powerful God could simply have us know whatever he wants us to know. That he doesn't, tells me he doesn't intend us all to believe the same about him, and is ok with all of the conflict resulting therefrom. If he is then defined to judge us on how we act on his message that most of us never understood, that tells me such a God would not be just or good.

I suspect the primary difference between you and I is that I do not equate morality to obedience to established authority (imagined or real). Am I wrong about that?

Is there anything that if your God did it or commanded it, you would see the act as anything but good? Genocide? Slaughter of innocents? Anything? Is there anything you would refuse to do the if he asked it of you? Would you kill your child for him? Would you fly a plane into a skyscraper?