BERNIE SANDERS WILL FACE DONALD TRUMP IN 2020 ELECTION, DEMOCRATS SAY

Uh, I think you guys are forgetting that he won the election with that minority of voters.

With that said, I do not expect him to deliver on much of what he ran on, given his flip flopping into the neocon driven PNAC. I think he was made an offer he could not refuse, and it would take someone who didn't give a damn and was highly principled like sanders to tell them to go and fu*ck themselves. And then rally his voters behind him, in a very real way, unlike how trump chose to do.

Trump at best will melt into a mediocre president, having thrown a few bones to cons, like deregs, not all of them good for the People. He has already been hogtied, in case you have not noticed. The only thing they allow him to do is to run his mouth. Words are cheap, only actions matter.

 

No, I do believe his presidency will inevitably go down in flames, and I don't believe it will be due to collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians. There are one of 3 ways this will turn out, successful impeachment, implementing the 25th amendment or resignation. You may not have been around during the Watergate years but I was, people weren't sure in late 1972 and into 1973 how it would ultimately end for Nixon, who didn't resign until August 1974. Nope, I do believe Trump is going down, likely for obstruction of justice and, my personal favorite - conspiracy against the United States. And I believe all will be clear roughly around the 1st half of 2019.

It's Trump, disaster is always just around the corner, he can't help himself......

 

I think Bernie Sanders might have given Trump a run for his money. However, I bet there are forces in this country who will not allow socialism to take hold, so I don't think he would ever win. I wish they wouldn't run him because it gets the kids all wound up.

 

Nope, I haven't forgotten, roughly 77,000 votes in 3 states put him over the top in the electoral college. He squeaked over the line........that's life. He will never move beyond his "minority of voters" because he doesn't want to. He is the president of his base, which is all he cares about....and why his time in office will be considered amongst the worst in history.

 

I think you are too easily dismissing his win. He won states that sanders would have won, IMO. And sanders would have won them with much higher margins.

I think he has more support than the polls show. No, not in NY or CA. While I called the election for him, for what to me was an obvious reason, he was and is the worst personality I have ever seen. While I support his anti globalism he campaigned on and his anti illegal immigration(which sanders supported both) I could not vote for him. Given his personality and manner of speaking. And his outrageous narcissm. And yet while I do not like the man, I still hope he strikes a blow against economic globalism and illegal immigration. I have given up on his foreign policy since he flip flopped on foreign policy, perhaps forced to flip flop by powerful neocons who want PNAC carried forth. If he can help to with getting back the american dream for the common man, I will give him kudos for that. For this is more important to me than his monsterous flawed personality.

 

sanders is not anti globalist nor anti illegal immigration in a hateful way, he is a jew who has benefited from 'globalism'.

the Presidents wife and son in law also benefited from 'globalism', but he is a capitalist who will capitalize on hatred to defeat the socialists.

America will continue to be capitalist as long as they pass tax cuts for the rich, but an honest contest and debate would involve sanders and the President in 2020. warren is a shill for the democrat elitists who do not really care for the American peasant classes.

it would be close as sanders would get the emotional vote, and the President would get the logical vote.

 

sanders at 76 is more competent than most Americans half his age, he will do fine as he appeared to eat organic healthy foods in his younger years and stayed away from the sauce.

same as the 71 year old President.

 

So, you know more about the candidate I supported with donations and worked for? I guess you never saw one of his early interviews with a spanish tv network, where he stated clearly that illegal immigration was supported by people like the Koch brothers? And that illegal immigration hurt the working class americans. And he was very specific and staunch on his position even if it might bother some of the younger liberals. And of course he was anti economic globalism and the hollowing out of an economy which gave us the american dream. So, you do not know what in the hell you are spewing here. Sanders is the most over the long haul consistent politician on the progressive side. I have followed him for years. How about you? I agree with many of his principles.

Yes, america will be capitalist, and sanders had nothing against that, being a democratic socialist. After all, capitalism is what finances what is called the Commons. Of course, the right side calls it socialism, even when capitalism is the economic model. lol And the rich still get richer. But more than just their boats rise.

 

Running Sanders in 2020 will repeat the mistakes of 2016 - a poor Presidential candidate who looks like a juggernaut in the Primaries scaring away others who might actually have a chance to win the Presidential race.

Sanders running would be a blessing to Trump. At best he would lose a bruising Primary contest and even more of his supporters would sulk again & refuse to vote for the winner. At worst he wins & discovers that his age, his past and his politics are all going to lose more votes than they win.

The Dems need someone younger who can bridge the wings of the party more effectively than Sanders ever will.

 

I'm going to start stocking up on rabbits and toilet paper just in case.

 

'laissez faire' capitalism is real capitalism, 'democrat socialism' enslaves the capitalist for socialist handouts.

sanders promises freedom only to the peasant, the President promises freedom to both peasants and the rich.

 

You mean they refused to vote for a corporate banking owned hillary? This was a great decision not to vote for her and sulk about the rigged primaries and a corrupt banana republic dnc.

I hope sanders does run and win the primary and faces off with trump. Especially if trump keeps flip flopping on what he ran on, and when his failure to bring back living wage jobs comes to fruition. He was elected on several key issue, and I cannot see him delivering on any of them due to his inexperience and both parties being open border globalists. Trump did not win because of a lovely personality. He won because people were suffering economically. While the stock market looks lovely it no longer reflects main street nor living wage jobs. And 81 percent of investments in wall street come from the upper 10 percent, not the lower 90. So 19 percent of working people invest, generally through plans at work. As students are crushed by debt as they work at starbucks. They will never own a home, given the student debt.

If working and middle class americans want to be represented, sanders is their man, whether they are smart enough to see that or not. And who knows? We may be all fed up with trump if he fails to deliver on anything but what the globalists demand. And the neocons demand.

 

like all my previous predictions that all came true when dems didnt listen. If they run bernie, hillary or their wild fantasy michelle obama they will lose. They need to demonstrate they are cleaning house. If not...enjoy those election night tears again.

 

That kind of capitalism does not create a large middle class and you should know that. Because of human nature affecting everything it can touch that kind of capitalism only serves the elites. Capitalism has to be managed, intelligently, to keep the abuses from being common. We learned this once, because of the Gilded Age, and now we are repeating those same mistakes. The American Dream arose under a managed capitalism, not always even anywhere close to perfect, and the largest middle class in world history also arose under it. A less regulated banking and capitalism gave us economic globalism, which exploits the poor elsewhere for their slave labor. These are just inconvenient facts.

Your kind of capitalism look great on paper, just like some say marxism does, but in reality and due to human nature, it does not work out like the paper says it will.

Also, america is getting more and more peasants, with part time service sector work. With a hundred million doomed to never have a living wage job again. Well, sooner or later the peasants will tire of this bullcrap, as they did when FDR came into office. History may not repeat, but it sure as hell rhymes. And when your economic model impoverishes, only then will change come. And it is in the process of doing just that. I do not expect it to get better in so far as living wage jobs, because of slave labor elsewhere, and these trade agreements which only serve the rich.

 

If this is true then I and many other's probably wouldn't vote for him. Last year we would have but not now. He's old as **** and probably doesn't have that much longer. Biden is a horrible choice also. Any of those and we'll have the Donald for an extra four years.

 

Yet...still nothing except TDS. Never in my life have I seen such hateful vindictive people so eager to overthrow a freely and fairly elected President and I was around for Nixon. I feel shame for those who’s only impetus is hate.

 

you are drinking the koolaid. HE'S NOT A DEMOCRAT BECAUSE HE DOES NOT WANT TO BE A DEMOCRAT. Its kind of a big deal when you are trying to become the party's standard-bearer. So he got fewer votes, fewer states, fewer superdelegates, and fewer delegates than his opponent. He lost the women's vote, the black vote, the senior vote, the rural vote and the Hispanic vote all to Hillary Clinton. He barely won a single caucus state. Those are some painful heels right there. Carrying the colleges, the progressive left, some large cities and the young vote will only take you so far in a democratic nomination process.

Had we asked hard questions about Hillary's Achilles heels from 2008, we would never have allowed her to drive all the competition underground in 2016. Let's not make the same mistake again. There were reasons he could not change the dynamics that kept losing him state contests. There were reasons why black and Hispanic voters were never drawn to his candidacy.. There were reasons older voters distrusted the 'socialist'. We need to find a new candidate, not try to repackage the losers from the last time. .

 

Nope, I'm not one who hates Trump. I just believe he is manifestly unfit for the office of POTUS, in addition to being a moron and a liar. His own actions, words & deeds bear this out. I also believe elections have consequences and, while I certainly don't condone "overthrowing" a president, Trump will take care of this all by himself......

 

the petty disagreements of the royal classes which destabilize the markets for the peasant classes must be managed.

sanders can put an end to that, but it will come at the cost of freedom for the rich. the people would choose freedom for all, but they should be allowed to make that choice based on the hard truth.

globalism and capitalism is naturally ethical based on supply and demand.

 

So, the idiots who didn't understand hillary would not represent them, voted for her. And, the DNC sure thought they needed to do what they could to hurt the guy, who was running as a democrat, and he caucuses with the dems, and was trying to take them back to their FDR roots.

Fewer super delegates. You do not know what in the hell went on, do you? And given this ignorance I refuse to put lipstick on this pig. You know why the dems use super delegates, right? If not, go and do some studying, for I watched it happen, and know why in the hell it happened. As any democrat would, if they were alive then and voted.

 

What you mean by the loss of freedom for the rich only amounts to yanking back their power to structure this economy to only benefit them. Which is what FDR had to do to save capitalism. Some of these rich elites, whose families are still rich and powerful, tried to stage a coup against FDR. No you wont read that in your school history books. Gen. Smedley Butler was asked to join and he busted out these rich treasonous bastards. Not a single one went to jail or got into trouble. Such is the power of our rich. You would have been hung. Because you are a peasant.

 

The best chance Trump has of winning is if the Dems run poor candidates like Sanders or Warren (or god forbid Clinton again) against him. People deeply rooted in one section of the party and/or people with huge, exploitable flaws (age, questionable past etc) will just gift the election to him.

Find someone younger who presents well & can offer something more than just re-fighting the last war. Do that & Trump is toast. Fail and he gets a second term. There are a lot of Dem voters who need to seriously get over themselves. Anyone who didn't want Trump but didn't vote to stop him in the Presidential poll is every bit as responsible for him being President as the people who actually voted for him.

 

I disagree of course. Trumps only competition would come from sanders, not warren. She is a fake. And sanders supporters hate her. If the dems want to put trump back into office, just let them run another damned corporate banking owned candidate, which means, all of the dems are these kind of people. An establishment corporate banking owned democrat will never win in this environment. IMO. There is a growing real deal progressive movement that is building as we speak, even if MSM ignores it. And they will never support someone like hillary. They will stay home. The DP must change, and they refuse to do it.

 

Many democrats hate Sanders, so do not be so sure

 

You keep acting like there is no alternative to Sanders. Train track thinking that will get Trump re-elected. I agree on Warren. Don't know why you brought her up. I agree that there is support for progressive ideas, but it isn't enough to get someone elected President. Anyone who thinks it is just isn't paying attention. Any Dem candidate needs to be able to speak to a number of different constituencies & not alienate a few others. Not all of these are 'progressive'. If Sanders supporters try to turn the Dem party into a Progressive Party they will doom it to oblivion.

That is what I meant about people getting over themselves. No one is going to get all of what they want. If the response to that is to throw a big tantrum & sulk on election day then you will get to watch Republicans further entrench themselves & their allies not only in legislatures & executives, but in the judiciary as well. The Democratic party only succeeds as a broad church and your political system doesn't favor the creation of third parties. If progressives, moderates, ethnic minorities and people who have connections with 'corporate America' can't coexist together then they will witness a Republican hegemony individually.