It is not belief it is conclusion based on evidence. Not one shred of evidence suggests anyone else had any involvement. No one said he focused all of his problems on Kennedy. Such a motive has never been attributed to him. He simply seized an opportunity to commit murder when he saw one for reasons which we can make educated guesses about but never prove. There is no evidence he was a patsy and he was no more a likely candidate for a patsy than any other murderer
He had twisted political motives and probably believed that such an assassination would lead to a revolution which would lead to a socialist or communist USA in which he would be a prominent and important figure. He often expressed such flights of fancy to his wife. He often told her that she was married to the man who would be the first prime minister of the United Socialist States of America once he triggered the revolution. He also may simply have viewed Kennedy as a political opponent who needed to die. He had a precedent for this as Kennedy was not the first person he tried to murder. After Kennedy's death evidence was discovered among Oswald's personal belongings which demonstrates he had tried to kill General Edwin Walker US Army ( retired ). He fired his rifle ( same one he used on Kennedy ) at Walker as Walker sat in his kitchen. He barely missed Walker and then ran for it. The Dallas PD had been hunting for Walker's attempted murderer but were looking for a person driving away in a car. Oswald ran away on foot and bragged to his wife about how he fooled the police this way. Marina Oswald also recounted an incident where she locked her husband in a closet and kept him there all day because he stated his intention to murder former vice president Richard Nixon while Nixon was visiting New Orleans where Oswald lived at the time. She claimed she only let him out of the closet when she was sure Nixon had left town. Oswald loved spy novels and enjoyed play acting as a spy. He built flimsy false identities and tried to infiltrate anti castro groups in order to gain information which he thought he could sell to Castro's government in exchange for being allowed to emigrate to Cuba. Castro's regime did not care or want Oswald in Cuba probably based on advice from the KGB who knew Oswald to be a harmless kook but also an idiotic pain in the butt. Oswald was also angry at the lack of attention and fame that he felt he deserved in life. He was bewildered when he returned from the USSR and expected to be met by throngs of reporters only to be ignored. Since he is dead we cannot know for sure what his motives were but based on the evidence we know about him we can make plausible estimates on what his motive or combination of motives might have been. The idea that he was a patsy has zero evidence circumstantial or otherwise.
I noticed that your previous post intimated that the reason I encountered such an overwhelming number of people who had come to the conclusion that there was a larger plot to kill President Kennedy and virtually NONE who believed the official lone nut acting independently theory you asserted that I must hang around with a small circle of conspiracy loons. Then, when presented with the EVIDENCE that most Americans and an even greater percentage of people from around the world (anywhere from 63% to over 70%) are also convinced that there was a conspiracy to kill Kennedy, you switch gears and say it doesn't matter. Pretty funny. Evidence is only as good as those who present it, and there were so many errors and omissions regarding this case that it is not even a close call. Unless you were there, your evidence only consists of what you have read from very suspect sources. Government hacks with every reason to lie and cover their asses. You are not fooling anyone with your canned BS in this matter. Only extremely naive people or those who are professional disinformation agents even try to sell this crap. Cheers
No I never intimated any such thing. You are also quite wrong about the evidence. You cannot make any such errors or omissions because none of any significance exist. The conspiracy theorists have no evidence this is fact you keep ignoring because it is you who learned about it from hollywood
To be honest, issue of assassination of JFK is the only one where I have personally doubts about official story and where some kind of conspiracy is possible. Because I was by my own sniper I have personally doubts of the abilities of Oswald to make this job, but I will not blame it as impossible, only as unlikely. All the rest is unfortunately only the usual conspiracy jabbering BS. If you want to see in something a conspiracy, you will always find these or that points which can back it ... and if you ignore countering points or if you are low minded with a clear prejudice which is hard or at all be changeable, then you have the same result of BS as all the other things blamed to conspiracy issue.
I will grant that you are expressing doubts rather than making false claims but no evidence supports your doubts. Oswald was no sniper but he was a Marine. Within the US military the Marine Corps has the best basic rifle marksmanship training program. The average of even a below average Marine shooter is a good shot compared to the rank and file population. Oswald was rated a sharpshooter within the Marines. The ranking for shooters is marksman at the lowest end, sharpshooter in the middle and expert at the top. What this means is his performance as a shooter was in the median among his fellow Marines. Roughly half were better shots but roughly the other half were not as good as him. In the end considering the quality of the training he had more than enough skill to make the shots. He maintained his skill with a rifle by constantly dry firing and improving his technique as he was taught in the Marines. Being a low skilled minimum wage worker he often had little else to do at night and his wife reported how often he practiced this way. He occasionally went to the range when he could afford amo. He also had some experience hunting birds with his older brother. This allows for at least a small amount of awareness of how to aim at moving targets. The actual shooting was not difficult at all much less for someone of Oswald's background. The target ( kennedy ) was less than 100 yards away for all 3 shots. This is easy and close range for any rifleman. It was moving but that is not as significant as conspiracy theorists love to claim. There are easier moving targets and harder to hit moving targets. One need not be a trained shooter to understand that a target moving ACROSS your line of sight is harder to hit because you have to lead the target essentially aiming where it will be rather than where it is. On the other hand if one is moving toward you or away from you the whole issue of leading it is gone. You only have to hit before it runs into you or disappears. This latter situation is the one Oswald faced. The target would have appeared to be moving away from him and therefore he simply had to hit it before it drove under the triple under pass and out of sight. The limo was moving very slowly. Less than 5 MPH. From Oswald's vantage point this was fairly easy to hit. He did have to hit it before it disappeared but because of the slow speed of the limo he had adequate time to aim multiple shots. Oswald was in a warehouse. Like most typical warehouses it was filled with boxes. This allowed him to move boxes to build the nest in an effort to hide himself from any potential casual observation. ( something the grassy knoll lacked ). This also allowed him to construct a platform to shoot comfortably from which improves ones accuracy. Once again the grassy knoll lacked such capability. We do not exactly what position he fired from but based on how the boxes were arranged it seems he aimed from the sitting position which his Marine Corps record shows was his best and most accurate shooting position. Conspiracy theorists love to misquote and lie about the WC commision which actually had multiple experts and NON experts alike recreate the shooting . All of them were easily able to match or exceed Oswald's performance. Theorists always claim none could do as good but this is simply fiction. The rifle itself was cheap and not a very good one but was in fact found to be as accurate as an M1 Garand at close ranges. Which means less than 200 yards. He had adequate abilities and an adequate tool. No evidence supports another shooter and all the physical evidence shows Oswald was there shooting.
Well, I know the complete story and all the things of and around the assassination here, as well the conspiracy claims. For example is the so called magic bullet not really magic as it was shown and explained. The table and representation of Garrison which caused the magic bullet theory was simply wrong, because a wrong seat assembly of Kennedy and Connally. My doubts ... and I speak / write here as someone who was sniper with 75 combat actions ... are in core and in detail these: A) The weapon, the Italian carbine "Carcano Fucile Mod. 91/38" is not very precise. I shot personally some test shots some years ago in Georgia with the better sister rifle "Moschetto Mod. 91 " and the sight of the rifle makes correct and precise aiming of a target not an easy task ... particularly if you will shoot in short time several (3) fast shots on a moving target with the necessary lead angle to count. B) That Oswald was Marine and a more or lesser good rifleman is not disputed, as well that he learned to handle a rifle and so on. But the technically mess of the rifle he used as told above makes a long time training necessary to be able for it, including to be totally cool when making assassination. Aside this, the gin was a single loader and so after every shot he has to reload from magazine by using the gun lock. This means that he has to re-aim in full after every shot without being full able to aim further with the sight after the shot. Even if this all is clear explainable and proved to be correct, I will still wonder why he bought this more crappy rifle for the job and not a better one which was simply and easy available for the same money. But as told, I will not say that it is impossible, but only unlikely. But I must admit that we do not know how much he trained with the weapon in detail ... or maybe what he learned and trained during his time in USSR.
As I mentioned the specific weapon he used was thoroughly tested and examined by the FBI. They found at close range it was as accurate as any standard US military rifle of the time. The rifle was bolt action which makes the rate of fire slower than a semi automatic but Oswald had plenty of practice to speed up his time. In addition we may not know exactly how fast he shot or how long the 3 shots took but we have several good estimates established by watching the Zapruder film and you can pick the longest estimate or shortest and any trained shooter can match or beat the time. Why he bought a cheap rifle is obvious. He was a low skilled minimum wage or less worker who had a growing family and little money to spare. There were in fact few if any better weapons available for the same price. Like anything else good weapons cost money and a decent rifle at that time would gone for over $100.00. He spent less than $30.00 which makes sense given his low income status.
Well, the range is not the problem I have with the rifle told to be used, it is the sight of the rifle which is not precise. To be honest, the M1 Carbine or M-1 Garand are better and were cheaper due to the masses left over from WW-2 (as you know, standard rifle of US Army was at this time the M-14). But as told, I will not tell that it was impossible, only unlikely. To deliver the result what was delivered, it needs much training ... much more as what a usual US Marine will earn and being taught. All the rest of this conspiracy stuff we are the same meaning that nonsense ...
The M14 was precisely the rifle that they compared Oswald's rifle to and found it equally accurate at distances less than 200 yards. The fact is many of varying skill have equaled and beat Oswalds performance proves that it was not unlikely but quite within the range of his capabilities. It was not a difficult shot and all Marines are well trained to shoot a rifle under such conditions. It did not require the skills of an expert sniper. Easy shots from someone trained to shoot well. Not unlikely at all
Sure, but here I have still doubts due to point that I shot with the sister rifle (which is better as Oswald's) and must rate that the rifle is lousy. Oswald was trained on the M-14 and of course he can learn to handle a single shot bolt action rifle very well too, but again: The sight of the gun is lousy and makes the necessary lead angle on a moving target more as difficult. On a fixed target I will say nothing, no problem to learn this with this rifle, but on a moving target to deliver such a result ... sorry ... unlikely but not impossible.
As I pointed out there are easy moving targets and hard moving targets this one was easy. The actual movement was very slow and almost directly away from his point of view making it easy to simply aim center mass and hit. Not unlikely at all
At last someone with a clue, George Bush probably was involved btw that's an excellent call. There are pictures and a lot of evidence including a telegram sent, I will post it later I'm tired just now. Also, you know where he claims he was when it happened? He doesn't remember, only person in the world that doesn't, then he claimed a couple of seperate places after that. - - - Updated - - - I'm not going to reply to people with no clue what they're talking about and who provide no evidence. 38 is the number recorded, google it.
That's because it did, clearly. Anybody who knows anything about it and an open mind knows this, all the doctors and nurses who tended to him said it, most of the witnesses did and we can see it in the film. What fascinates me about it, it is the greatest murder mystery of all time and so so important. Think about it, thats the President of the United States assassinated and we still don't know who actually did it, we know who killed Lincoln and John Lennon and Julius Ceasar, but we don't know who shot JFK. Somebody lived the rest of their life knowing they did it and they were the person that the whole world was wondering about for decades, and we still don't know who it was, we'll never know. Its fascinating. I don't think there's any doubt he was killed by his own government, the CIA orchestrated it with helps from the Mafia, the anti-Castro Cubans, the military-industrial complex (which Eisenhower warned about) and the authorities in Texas as well as LBJ and Hoover. But we don't know who actually shot him, its amazing. Robert Kennedy said to him not long before he was shot that if it got out that he was making deals with the Russians over Cuba and the Cold War then somebody would shoot him over it, it seems they did. Edited to add - His personal secretary, Evelyn Lincoln, was asked during the 90's who she thought did it and she said she though the five conspirators were the CIA, Hoover, LBJ, the Mafia and the Cubans in Florida. She was almost certainly right. Arthur Schlessinger Jr was asked in the 90's too who he thought killed JFK, he was one of his best friends and a senior member of his administration. He answered, "Well, we were at war with the national security state". Those were his words.
What 'interest free treasury notes? And Dulles resigned... Also the war had already 'escalated' under kennedy
You really ought not to contribute to threads you know nothing about. Dulles was fired,and Kennedy had started to de-escalate in Vietnam and was withdrawing US forces. These things are the simple facts of the case, you don't know anything about it, find another thread. Us mad conspiracy have got this thing about something called evidence, you never provide any when you post inaccurate nonsense, we do when we post facts. Check it out - Dulles fired- Dismissal Kennedy presents the National Security Medal to Dulles, November 28, 1961 During the Kennedy Administration, Dulles faced increasing criticism.[1] The pro-American but unpopular regimes in Iran and Guatemala that Dulles had helped put in place were widely regarded as brutal and corrupt.[26] In autumn 1961, following the Bay of Pigs incident, Dulles and his entourage, including Deputy Director for Plans Richard M. Bissell, Jr. and Deputy Director Charles Cabell, were forced to resign. On November 28, 1961, Kennedy presented Dulles with the National Security Medal at the CIA Headquarters in Langley, Virginia.[27] The next day, November 29, the White House released a resignation letter signed by Dulles.[28] Kennedy withdrawing from Vietnam - http://johnfitzgeraldkennedy.net/nsam263.htm You don't know anything about any of this, find another thread or start your own, you're simply trolling on this one
For people who are interested in actually examining what really happened you should watch this documentary series, its called Evidence of Revision and is absolutely fantastic. It is a six or seven part series looking at RFK, JFK, MLK, Jonestown and MK Ultra. The first two episodes deal with JFK. Here they are- [video=youtube;1pGg-rS26c4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pGg-rS26c4[/video] [video=youtube;3KnEDe6ZWVU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KnEDe6ZWVU[/video]
plain as day,Dulles resigned....the same link you used I did as well. And the troop strength had been escalating all during 1963,withdrawing?,no but probably not escalating it as much as Johnson did And STILL the question about 'interest free treasury notes' remains
Yes religious faith defeats any form of reason , skepticism and evidence. The evidence proves he was shot from above and behind but never let that challenge a cherished myth. - - - Updated - - - There is no evidence Bush was involved including any telegram which you made up and does not exist. 38 is a recorded number but not the number of people who heard shots coming from the knoll. You need to stop responding period since it is you providing no evidence and has no clue about what you are posting. the evidence proves you wrong and that is that
Witnesses did NOT see it as you claim they saw him shot but not specifically from where. the doctors at Parkland have been addressed and do not provide evidence of where the shot came from they strictly provide opinion unsupported by evidence. We know who killed him it was Oswald as the evidence proves and which you ignore of course. The vast conspiracy you refer to could not have pulled off such a stunt. Opinions of the people you name are irrelevant as opinions mean nothing when the evidence proves them wrong as it does you - - - Updated - - - You tube videos are entertainment not evidence. They are as fictional as star wars - - - Updated - - - Kennedy was withdrawing troops and replacing them with greater numbers he was not deescalating and that is historic fact. Dulles resigned and even your own link proves that fact
Google executive order 11110. Allen Dulles was fired by JFK after the Bay of Pigs. Before Kennedy was killed we had a few thousand military advisors there. After he was out of the way Johnson escalated our presence to over a half a million and ended up getting 58,000 of our guys killed.
