Best Evidence of a Conspiracy

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  1. LoneStrSt8

    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    he had 8 months to plan what he was going to do after he bought the rifle using an alias
     
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    I doubt even that would satisfy you..
     
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    We know Oswald was definitely working for the CIA too, the reason we know this is they opened something called a 201 file on him. A 201 file is a file specifically and solely to investigate CIA EMPLOYEES who they consider may be a security threat. The CIA do not deny Oswald had a 201 file. Read this exchange from the HSCA in the 70's, this is all documented fact not theory at all, and the Lone Nut Theorists know nothing of any of it as they are wilfully ignorant as the truth is far too uncomfortable for them to contemplate -

    This was confirmed in the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) questioning of Ann Egerter, a member of Angleton's staff who opened the CIA file on Lee Harvey Oswald (a "201 file" in US intel lingo) in December of 1960.

    The kicker is that the CI/SIG division is only tasked with investigating current CIA agents who are potential security risks. Egerter said her office was known within the CIA as "the office that spied on spies." She further elaborated on SIG as the entity that undertook "investigations of agency employees where there was an indication of espionage."

    Because CIA agents are forbidden to disclose the identity of any other agents, Oswald's true occupation could only be discerned through indirect questions directed at Egerter. One HSCA interviewer asked her what the purpose of the CI/SIG was within the agency. Through this line of questioning, it can be discerned that Lee Harvey Oswald was seen in 1960 as a security risk, making him easy to burn, for example, as a patsy in the Kennedy assassination.

    Interviewer: "Please correct me if I'm wrong … it seems that the purpose of CI/SIG was very limited and that limited purpose was to investigate agency employees who for some reason were under suspicion."

    Egerter: "That is correct."

    Interviewer: "When a 201 file is opened, does that mean that whoever opens the file has either an intelligence interest in the individual, or, if not an intelligence interest, he thinks that the individual may present a counterintelligence risk?"

    Egerter: "Well, in general, I would say that would be correct."

    Interviewer: "Would there be any other reason for opening up a file?"

    Egerter: "No, I can't think of one."

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    The CIA have also admitted the tape of him talking to the Russian embassy in Mexico City allegedly with their chief of assassination is fake and not Oswald's voice, and the pictures of the man entering the embassy purported to be Oswald was not Oswald at all. Here are the pictures the CIA too and provided when subpoenaed, which they have since admitted are obviously not of Oswald, though they initally claimed they were, then claimed the camera was broke that day when they were told to present them, before finally presenting these pictures and quickly admitting it wasn't Oswald after all -

    http://jfk-archives.blogspot.co.uk/2010/07/oswald-odio-and-mexico-city.html
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/201_file

    201 file
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    A 201 file is set of documents maintained by the US government for members of the United States armed forces. 201 files usually contain documents describing the member's military and civilian education history. A 201 file may also contain personal information such as home of record, and awards documents. Typically, a 201 file contains one or more of the following:[1]


    A typical U.S. Air Force OMPF from recent years.
    Promotion Orders
    Mobilization Orders
    DA1059s – Service School Academic Evaluation Reports
    MOS Orders
    Awards and decorations
    Transcripts
    SGLV 8286 – Servicemembers’ Group Life Insurance Election and Certificate)
    NCOERs and OERs (Evaluation Documents)
    DD Form 214 Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active Duty
    The 201 file is an important document for service members to maintain, as the documents it contains are important for access to benefits such as the VA Loan and the GI Bill.

    Copies of the 201 file can also be requested from the National Archives[2] by service members and their families.

    The Central Intelligence Agency also uses the term "201 File" to refer to their own personnel records used for analogous purposes.[3]


    201 file further contains demotions, forfeiture of pay as a de facto record of non-judicial disciplinary action (Article 15).

    Court Martial and judicial action are recorded.

    Weapons qualification is included in the 201 file.

    Since Oswald was a marine.......
     
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    How dare you argue with facts.

    He may have to ignore you again if you keep this up.

    I was going to post the same thing but you beat me to it.

    There is no evidence Oswald was CIA
     
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    The term conspiracy theorist was around long before the CIA.

    It was not invented by them but it is accurate for those who ignore evidence and insist that beliefs are enough

    Unlike all the conspiracy theoris the WC conclusion is supported by evidence.
     
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    Do you even realize how often you contradict yourself?

    First you claim a 201 file is strictly and exclusively for CIA employees then you post a source which contradicts that claim by stating it is generally for persons of interest.

    You also claimed the CIA deliberately had an imposter in mexico impersonating Oswald now you state they merely confused a photo of some unknown guy for Oswald which is true.

    You should really pay more attention to your posts especially when you call others clueless
     
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    Have you, personally, examined any of the evidence or interviewed any of the witnesses? Are you sure that what you have seen and heard has not been sifted and sanitized? Do you believe the government would never fit the evidence to the agenda? I don't.
     
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    Actually yes the evidence has been publically available for decades and the witnesses available and interviewed by many.

    Stating that something could happen does not mean it did happen. There is no evidence that the government fit the evidence but overwhelming evidence that they followed it
     
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    A conspiracy is quite the opposite. A conspiracy looks at all the evidence, because a conspiracy can't be proven right, but yet can't be proven wrong.
     
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    The one you need to watch is on youtube. It is called JFK 2 the Busch connection. This will blow your mind.
    Today we are not voting on republican or democrat. We are voting on New World Order or United States of America. Take your pick, the new world order requires billions to die. You can watch George Busch Sr. tell the American people that they will be successful on the new world order. Just type this in on youtube or google. "George Bush New world Order speech".
     
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    He did not reveal it he asserted a claim with no evidence.

    It was done before him as well he was not the first to make that claim
     
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    I distinctly remember people witnesses saying at that time that the shots came from the street level in front of the JFK motorcade. For anyone to dismiss these testimonies that were made at the crime scene is ridiculous beyond words.

    Thank you for pointing out the TRUTH of their testimony.
     
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    Street level in front of the motorcade would have been impossible.

    That would literally have been in the street in plain view of every camera and witness.

    Most witnesses heard the shots coming from above and behind Kennedy. This is consistent with all the physical evidence.

    As noted some witnesses will always remember something different or contrary therefore some witnesses have to be discounted .

    When the majority of witnesses and all evidence lead to the same conclusion the it is in fact the only logical course to discount the other witnesses
     
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    If true, then President Kennedy's brain matter would have gone forward, not backwards, which proves frontal entry wounds.
     
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    Actually no it does not prove that as head wounds are typically explosive messy all over.

    Some of that brain matter was found in back and some more was found in front of the limo.

    Some was splattered on the windshield and dash which is much farther away than the trunk lid.

    One must also remember the limo was moving forward causing some material from the wound to land farther back on the limo than where it started from.

    All things considered this only proves a typically messy head wound with debris splattered every where.

    The expert autopsy examination provided the evidence that the bullet wounds to both the head and body entered from above and behind.

    This is reinforced by the medical reports on the wounds suffered by Governor Connally which also entered from above and behind.
     
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    watch the hideous video on youtube and you will see the brain matter splattered backwards - the implication of that is only too obvious
     
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    It splattered every where not just one direction
     
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    but it did so primarily backwards
     
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    No it didn't.

    None of it is evidence of the shooters location anyways.
     
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    Actually more sideways, as the FMJ bullet striking the area of the occiptal bone blasted a chunk of bone and brain matter outward,which forward momentum made appear to be goung 'backward'
     
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    [video=youtube;iU83R7rpXQY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU83R7rpXQY[/video]



    at about 20 secs you clearly see his head go backwards
     

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