Biden may beat trump

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  1. Andrew Jackson

    Andrew Jackson Well-Known Member

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    Not a chance.
     
  2. Sleep Monster

    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's what they said four years ago.
     
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    Someone hasn't kept up with the realization that this country is about to become quite a bit more nationalistic than it has been in a very long time, lots of blacks and women included. And that's a great thing for all but the parasitic hordes of the gov-edu-union-contractor-grantee-trial lawyer-MSM Complex.

    "Diversity is our Strength."

    Maybe Parscale should put that on a T-Shirt... or just pick any of a long list of erstwhile Democrat talking points that used to work, but have now gotten the same curb appeal as a rough-rider colonoscopy of late.

    Keep tabulating all those polls though, surely Nate Silver will pull it out for you lot this time.
     
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    Pretty sure you are way off on this.
    You probably said the same for Clinton.
     
  5. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Trump lickspittles in denial of his documented failure to assume leadership in the early stages of the pandemic are especially susceptible to the Trump revisionist bushwa, no doubt, but the national debt bloater had earned the contempt of most Americans before his shoddy performance in dealing with COVID-19.

    There have been empirical, unambiguous expressions of public sentiment amidst the Trumpery:
    How will Trump's failure to resurrect coal mining or steel manufacturing play with those he lied to and who made possible his electoral college victory in 2016?

    As voting patterns have unambiguously confirmed, the demographic shift has been inexorable, and is quietly drowning out the pom pom-flailing death rattle of the vanishing breed of less-educated, older White geezers. Do not go gentle into that good night. Rage, rage against the coming of the light.

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    "Trump can grab ME by whatever part he wants!"
    Amidst the chaos of Trumpery, anything is possible, to be sure, but irrational exuberance is no match for the will of the People.
     
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  6. Heartburn

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    Of course it's about my choices and opinions, I'm a voter and Goldwater lost. So did Hillary.
    I rest my case.
     
  7. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Don't despair. The empirical elective results of the years under Trumpery afford optimism predicated upon the reasonable proposition that past is prelude.
     
  8. ArmySoldier

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    Then by your logic, Biden won't win in 2020. Since Putin is controlling the elections as you claim.

    Interesting that you'd post this.

    Let's watch you deflect:
     
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    I don't agree with your claim that "Putin is controlling the elections." Do you have any credible evidence to support your claim?

    Nor did Putin "control" the election in 2016 despite his conspiring to influence it in Trump's favor.

    My optimism is predicated upon the American people's consistent, relentless, disapproval of Trump, and is consistent with their voting in 2017, 2018, and 2019 elections.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The demographic time bomb has nothing to do with your choices and opinions. That question is about the opinions of others - and the majority is for some form of legal abortion. This is a losing platform position -in its present form. Fighting for a complete ban is not a defendable position - except on Religious Grounds.

    It is not a defensible position from the principles of Republicanism - or Classical Liberalism for that matter - regardless of what Goldwater/Hillary did.
     
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    Opinions are not all set in stone and forums like this one are where we can express them and hope to influence some of those who differ or to learn something of value that changes our own.

    Abortion is only legal because of a Judicial mandate and it can be banned the same way. Pass an amendment and make it a guaranteed right if you want to make it safe and certain. It is a difficult path, intentionally so, but if national opinion is as you say then it should be a piece of cake now.
     
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    Abortion is legal in large part because of public pressure - changes in norms. The demographic time bomb is a related but different issue.
    It is not about whether or not one likes the fact that an overwhelming majority favor some form of legal abortion. Disliking reality will not change it. It is about recognizing what the position on the chessboard is -and making good moves.

    I will not be happy with a Biden win - in part for business reasons. Red is going to lose - if not in the next election - in the one after.
    All Red would need to do is soften its position .. quit with the "conception is living human" - fallacious justification for law - and shoot for some "reasonable" point after 6 weeks not being it. Making that the bar is a blunder - you have just alienated 66% - 2/3s - an Overwhelming majority of the electorate .. congratulations.

    Do you understand what an Overwhelming Majority means -within the context of a Constitutional Republic ?
    It means that Gov't has no legitimate authority to make law with respect to the issue - in fact - the reverse is true - it is the Gov't that needs an overwhelming majority to mess with Essential Liberty.
     
  13. Heartburn

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    You talk as if abortion is untouchable but it is not, it is threatened today which is why the left is so screachingly militant. When did killing babies become an essential liberty? Abortion is not the issue that will drive a stake through the Right's heart but it is a do or die issue for the left.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I did not say abortion abortion was untouchable - in fact I gave example to the contrary - 6 weeks laws in some states.
    You can't seem to deal with the reality that an overwhelming majority view reproductive choice as an essential liberty - regardless of how many nonsensical fallacies you make up "Killing Babies"

    Assumed premise fallacy - prove your claim that a single human cell at conception is a baby -a "living human".
     
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    The political right sees America as a land of forests, mountains, prairie, seas and opportunity. The left envisions a mammoth tit that provides all needs. Tits are nice, I'll give you that.
     
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    If your majority is so overwhelming then go to Congress and pass an amendment and end the squabble. It ain't so you cain't.
     
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    Its not my majority - and not is it my desire to go to congress. You can not deal with reality so you have to make up gibberish.
     
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    Yes- we see by all of your hillary threads that you have tons of optimism. lol
     
  19. Heartburn

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    How did I do that? I dispute your claim that the majority of Americans favor abortion and I stated that pretty clearly if you can read. That is what I believe is reality, you see another version but I think you are wrong. I don't think you are speaking gibberish, I can understand what you are saying. Of course it isn't your exclusive majority but it's your position in this discussion.
     
  20. Natty Bumpo

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    From a remote perspective far away in barren wilderness, one may have a jaundiced, distant view of most Americans.

    If you are upset with Trump flailing his pom poms in celebration of his unprecedented yooj give-away of taxpayer money (or, more accurately, his running it up on his already bloated national credit card) a repeat of his tax cuts for the rich wouldn't fill the bill.
     
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    Your fictitious threads for which you cannot contrive any actual examples do not serve your need for your deperatly-needed diversion.
     
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    Yeah, we'll probably have to sell the left coast to pay the vig on our loans. Oh well, I hear it's streets are full of **** anyhow
     
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    You did it -if you wish to dispute a claim - fine - no need to engage in other nonsense.

    ..https://www.npr.org/2019/06/07/7301...bortion-legal-but-they-also-want-restrictions

    This however was not the point of the lesson .. and using terms like "favor abortion" is different than what I was talking about - which I defined clearly - is gibberish.

    The part of the lesson you missed was that the bar is not "overwhelming majority" for those in favor of abortion rights.. It is the Gov't that must achieve this bar 67% against for law messing with essential liberty to be legitimate.

    This is not about what I believe - or what you believe - this is the definition of a constitutional Republic - the bar as per the founding principles .. and the principles of Republicanism.

    You are free to choose a different Bar .. don't let me convince you otherwise .. but - if you do not accept this bar - you are not believing in the principles of Republicanism - nor the founding principles as per the Declaration of Independence.
     
  24. Natty Bumpo

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    As an American, I do not snivel about my countrymen based upon divisive, regional prejudice. I merely acknowledge the disparities.

     
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    Abortion is disputed law. It lives or dies by dominant political principles and the only way to end that is to do it right and pass an amendment specifically dealing with abortion. Wrapping yourself in the Constitution doesn't make you right, abortion isn't in there.
     

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