Biden to announce vaccine mandate for companies with more than 100 employees

But that's not what you said, you mentioned the spread of the virus. I think they call that moving the goal post.

 

Or I misspoke. No ill intent here.

Yes, those vaccinated can still contract and spread the virus - that is well known and accepted. What we are facing now is a major problem with hospitals being overrun.

 

Absolutely false. In fact, only 15 states are counting cases from the vaccinated. they stopped counting on May 1st. Even the CDC says the vaccinated spread the virus.

 

I quoted a source and included it. You are welcome to do the same.

 

By what, a day or two difference?

So the vaccinated still spread it then.

 

What I know from the CDC is that the vaccinated carry as much viral load as the unvaccinated, which makes both of them equal opportunity superspreaders. Furthermore, I suspect that there are now more vaccinated people than unvaccinated people, which implies that the vaccinated are spreading the virus at a larger rate than are the unvaccinated.

I don't know about you, but having the ability to catch a lesser version of covid over-and-over-again doesn't sound like much of a benefit to me.

 

COVID-19 Vaccine Breakthrough Infections Reported to CDC — United States, January 1–April 30, 2021 | MMWR

Since May 1st, the CDC is only counting the breakthrough cases that require hospitalization. So how can they accurately know how effective the vaccine is with breakthrough cases if they aren't even counting the data?

 

From your article: However, vaccine breakthrough infections occur in only a small fraction of all vaccinated persons and account for a small percentage of all COVID-19 cases

If the breakthrough cases are not hospitalized, we are seeing that the vaccination is working. People are not clogging up the hospitals.

 

And with that I would suggest we bite the bullet and expand or create covid specific clinics because the reality is this **** isn't going to go anywhere any time soon. None of the mutations have happened in the United States but they will continue to happen. This thing is global. We travel far too much to contain it. This is our new reality.

If the thinking was "damn if only everyone would get vaccinated this would all go away"... that is asinine. It won't. It proved it's resiliency and adaptation with the delta. This will not go away until we get a close to 100 percent vaccine or this thing evolves and weakens overtime as we also get stronger naturally.

 

Its a very good idea. We are supposed to be innovators and entrepreneurs - I'm surprised this hasn't happened.

 

You should be POTUS right now. You're making way too much common sense.

 

Yes, but how do we know the actual count of breakthrough cases if they aren't being counted. I agree that it's good that they require hospitalizations less, but many unvaccinated also don't require hospitalizations and the unvaccinated are still being counted with or without hospitalization.

 

It's the government forced part. But go ahead bleat on like a sheeple.

 

Remember really early on in the pandemic when they were telling us about asymptomatic people and how you could have/spread the virus without any symptoms? I know that "their facts change", but the congruentness of it shouldn't. If we take what we know, how many people have had at least one exposure to covid-19? I suspect, almost all of us at this rate.

 

If I were to chose one state to finally take this common sense approach. (permanent Covid specific treatment facilities) My money is on Florida.

 

time that one is infectious also plays a role, but I agree, as more are vaccinated they will be the ones most infected, but that doesn't mean anythign

 

I don't think there is anything wrong with collecting stats for both. But I'm thinking that it will be more difficult to count the breakthroughs as so many experience such mild symptoms that they won't be going for a test or to the doctor or a hospital.

 

I oppose it too. It should be up to the corporations to mandate or not mandate.

It is not a vaccine mandate though. Its either vaccine or get tested.

"So tonight, I'm announcing that the Department of Labor is developing an emergency rule to require all employers with 100 or more employees that together employ over 80 million workers to ensure their workforces are fully vaccinated or show a negative test at least once a week."

 

A lot longer than that

Never said they didn't

 

Does anyone want to take a guess as to why the USPS is excluded from the mandate? These are workers who are touching our mail, our mailboxes, etc., so why are they excluded?

 

USPS is not exempt. They fall under a different system than executive branch employees, but they would fall under the employers with more than 100 employee standard.

USPS employees are not exempt.

 

For a lot shorter time so not equal opportunity superspreaders.

And no, the rest of your post is also wrong. The greatest spreaders are the younger generations and the majority of those are unvaccinated.

As for the final paragraph, having the ability to catch a lesser version of covid over-and-over-again for the vaccinated is better than having the ability to catch a greater version of covid over-and-over-again and being hospitalized and dying for the unvaccinated

 

The report say "they MAY carry the virus for a shorter time" The report was very careful in putting in a non specific as it likely does not have data yet to support that claim. And since we are seeing reports like this one that showcase infection in vaccinated people;

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/cdc...tts-covid-outbreak-were-fully-vaccinated.html

...I wouldn't hold your breathe to assume that vaccinated people don't walk around with this viral load of covid **** in them for just as long as people who are not vaccinated.

Covid has a shelf life of 1 week or so ya?

 

Not the case
https://nypost.com/2021/09/09/usps-exempt-from-biden-vax-mandate-for-100m-workers/

 

Thanks for clearing that up. Looks like it will still fall under the 100 employee rule, not sure why it was separate from the federal workers.