Biden's withdrawal strategy from Afghanistan makes perfect sense...Not

No. I’m not sure I care if you understand.

 

Your comment isn't pertinent to my discussion.

The US doesn't depend on the might of NATO militaries if the US is ever attacked while NATO countries (realize NATO countries aren't the only countries that rely on US military prowess) DEPEND on the might of the US military if NATO countries, for example, were ever attacked.

Side note to this: Most NATO countries don't place a huge emphasis on military might and that's one reason why they depend so heavily on the might of the US military....End of side note.

My whole point is: does the US military seem reliable to countries that depend on US military? The answer to that question would have to be no considering how the US military conducted pullout of Afghanistan.

 

I was asking about a comment YOU made. Not pertinent? Ok, then you did you say it?

Its not about defending the US, its about advancing our own interests.

No, that is an ignorant assumption. Of course they will continue to rely on US as a part of NATO. Pulling out 1500 troops from the middle of nowhere means nothing in the big picture. Why do you think Europeans didn't take over in Afghanistan? Because they don't want to have anything to do with it either. They are ok as long as US carries 99 % of the water, but after that they say "the hell with it". Did we start crying when out allies pulled out of Iraq? No, we did not. The only time NATO has questioned US commitment to the alliance was when Trump hinted he might pull US out of NATO, but even then they knew it was only empty talk.

One day the US might consider pulling out of NATO, and THAT will have Europeans super concerned, but that is not on the table yet.

 

This is my only comment to your rhetoric.

Realize there's a huge difference between NATO countries, for example, depending heavily on US military compared to the US accepting the help of NATO countries' military, for example.
Realize the Afghanistan pullout will cause the world to question the reliability of US military might.

 

That it what you keep saying and I said it means nothing in the big picture or NATO. Everyone knows the pullout had nothing to do with "military might". Only a tiny fraction of our military might was there, and we decided to pull them out.

We disagree. End of story.

 

China would disagree if you think the US military looked strong during the Afghani pullout. Russia would disagree if you think the US military looked strong during the Afghani pullout....Iran...NATO...
N. Korea...S. Korea. Japan....would disagree if you think the US military looked strong during the Afghani pullout.

 

According to who?

Russia, China and everyone with half a brain are well aware that US military might is more than 1500 troops in the middle of nowhere and even they were pulled out as per agreement. Everyone knows it, except people like you.

 

Again, and this can't be stressed enough to people who think like you: It wasn't the pullout in Afghanistan that concerned most of us (it did concern the military elite who wanted to stay in Afghanistan forever). What concerned us was how the pullout was botched, IMO.

 

Trump struck the deal to fully pull out... and HE pulled out the fast bulk of the US army out of Afghanistan in 2020... with the plan to be gone in May 2021, as agreed with the Taliban. Biden made it the end of August, and not 9/11. So civilians still had 3 more months to pack their bags... and them civilians did not do a thing until half way into August. To than all suddenly demand an emergency evacuation and whine Biden can't do that in 2 weeks and pin the blame on him.

You tell me, why didn't they pack their backs in March with the idea it's all over in May 2021?

 

WTH is fast bulk of the US Army. No such thing exist in the US Army I served in. Trump evacuated 3 staffed military bases and 13,000 troops.

Yes

Biden told everyone his plan was to evacuate by 9/11. That was the date he set for months in advance. He never even bothered to explain why he refused to honor the original deal and be out by May. Did you think that date was just some arbitrary date pulled out of the air? The 20th anniversary of 9/11 in Afghanistan? Nobody buys that.

April 14, 2021

WHITE HOUSE - U.S. President Joe Biden is set to speak Wednesday about his decision to withdraw all U.S. troops from Afghanistan by September 11 — the 20th anniversary of the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon.

Biden sets Sept. 11 deadline for U.S. troop withdrawal from Afghanistan

WASHINGTON — President Biden announced Wednesday that American troops will leave Afghanistan by Sept. 11, 2021, nearly two decades after the U.S. invaded the country in response to al-Qaida’s terrorist attacks on New York and Washington.

The Taliban on Wednesday said it wants all foreign forces out of Afghanistan “on the date specified in the Doha Agreement,” and that “if the agreement is adhered to, a pathway to addressing the remaining issues will also be found.”

Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid added on Twitter that "If the agreement is breached and foreign forces fail to exit our country on the specified date, problems will certainly be compounded and those (who) failed to comply with the agreement will be held liable."

News of the U.S troop withdrawal plans had already prompted the Taliban to cancel its participation in a 10-day peace conference between Afghanistan’s warring sides later this month in Turkey.

“We cannot continue the cycle of extending or expanding our military presence in Afghanistan hoping to create the ideal conditions for our withdrawal, expecting a different result,” Biden said, speaking from the Treaty Room in the White House,

The president made the decision to leave after extensive consultations with allies, including from NATO, whose troops rely heavily on American security presence as well as airlift capabilities in Afghanistan. “We’ll not conduct a hasty rush to the exit,”
https://news.yahoo.com/biden-sets-s...op-withdrawal-from-afghanistan-200833512.html
https://www.voanews.com/usa/us-troops-leave-afghanistan-sept-11

How many troops did Biden draw down from April to evacuation day. ZERO

So Biden knew of the Taliban threat to advance its fighters to take over Afghanistan if he didn't withdraw by May.
Biden admitted that extending our evacuation date would not create ideal conditions for our withdrawal
Biden made the commitment that this will not be a hasty rush to exit

July 2021
WASHINGTON — President Joe Biden on Thursday defended the rapid withdrawal of U.S. troops from Afghanistan as the country appeared increasingly at risk of spiraling into civil war.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/wh...roop-withdrawal-taliban-gains-ground-n1273338

Four months later he knows of the oncoming Taliban and the increase risk of the Taliban taking over the country. How many troops did he draw down between July and evacuation day? ZERO

July 5, 2021
Biden’s Bagram Bug-Out in July Made Today’s Kabul Catastrophe Inevitable

The hub of the U.S. military enterprise in Afghanistan since 2002 has been sprawling Bagram air base. In early July, the Biden administration had the dwindling U.S. forces evacuate Bagram in the dead of night, giving no notice to the Afghan security forces to whom the base should have been formally transferred — thus enabling looters to scavenge the compound for hours before the Afghan forces could get there. There was a bounty for the looters because, in their haste to bug out, the U.S. forces had left millions of dollars of materiel behind, including thousands of vehicles and rounds of ammunition (alarming but just a fraction of the U.S. arsenal now in Taliban hands). Rather than alert the Afghan troops with whom they had partnered for years, the U.S. forces cut the electricity as they abandoned the compound — all the signal the looters needed to descend. The message was clear: The Afghan forces would not be capable of holding and exploiting Bagram. Biden had resigned himself to an inevitable Taliban takeover.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corn...uly-made-todays-kabul-catastrophe-inevitable/

Biden evacuates our only air support of Kabul and leaves the troops, embassy, and civilians without air cover? What kind of genius does it take to figure out how idiotic that was? What kind of genius does it take to know we can no longer keep the Taliban hundreds of miles away from Kabul? Biden single handedly told the Taliban (with a force of 75,000 fighters) advance at will. This is the absolute dumbest move in military history. You don't EVER evacuate your air support first. EVER

And if you are going to say (But the Afghan Army) which goes to show the higher level of incompetence of that decision. You put American lives in the hands of Afghan soldiers when you have your own forces on location? We all saw how that turned out. We would Biden not evacuate when it was the safest to do so?

July 23, 2021
Before Afghan collapse, Biden pressed Ghani to ‘change perception’
In the call, Biden offered aid if Ghani could publicly project he had a plan to control the spiraling situation in Afghanistan.
In much of the call, Biden focused on what he called the Afghan government’s “perception” problem. “I need not tell you the perception around the world and in parts of Afghanistan, I believe, is that things are not going well in terms of the fight against the Taliban,” Biden said. “And there is a need, whether it is true or not, there is a need to project a different picture.”

What could that need possibly be?????????? Why do we need to extend our evacuation date when we already have a free and clear departure right now??????

After the call, the White House released a statement that focused on Biden’s commitment to supporting Afghan security forces and the administration seeking funds for Afghanistan from Congress.

Then after the call Biden gives Ghani millions in cash?

Had Biden just evacuated the troops, and embassy on the same day as the Bagram airbase we wouldn't be in this position. Bagram had a 12 mile secured perimeter and multiple runways to accommodate all evacuees and Americans safely and efficiently without Taliban interference located hundreds of miles away. And if your claim is everyone knew the evacuation date but just didn't respond (Which makes no sense when they are fleeing to the airport) then the same thing could have been accomplished by evacuating the troops and embassy to Bagram in July instead of doing nothing.

Yet he waited until the Taliban takes control of Kabul, then orders the evacuation of troops and the embassy abandoning Americans and allies to Taliban control of the city?

So did over 200,000 people and every NATO ally (Germany, France, Britain, and the Dutch) and every American civilian all get the evacuation date wrong because thats what you are claiming. They all knew it and they all decided to just not get out? If thats the case then why the rust to the airport? Thats nonsense.

Biden wanted his final evacuation day of 9/11 and he sat our troops, embassy, and civilians in harms way waiting for that date while asking Ghani to put a different face on this and go fight off the Taliban while we waited. And he paid him to do just that.

Then after the order to evacuate, Biden goes into hiding at Camp David while hundreds of calls flood the WH from allies wanting to know what the hell is going on. Biden refused to take those calls and didn't pop back up until the following Monday where he gave a 9 minute presser, then walks off the stage refusing to take a single question while Americans are trapped in hostile territory.

There isn't a single excuse you could possibly come up with to overcome all of the incompetence it would take to host this chain of events.

 

Fantastic post.

 

Thank you sir.
Not that it will have any effect what so ever.

 

That is the fast bulk of the army. They left in 2020. There were just some 2000 or 3000 soldiers left when Biden took over.

So how is this relevant to the idea that 10.000's of Americans thought they ALL could leave on the same plane home? As far as I know, none of them made any kind of arrangement to leave the country AT ALL,... while they KNEW that Trump said he would pull the US army out in may 2021. Biden took over, and slow as he is, he needed 3 more months. Why is it Bidens fault that American civilians simply took the dumb gamble that it would be fine without US soldiers... in freaking Afghanistan... of all places?

Well everybody indeed knew more or less... since Trump announced it was going to be may 2021. And you sourced that Biden said in April 2021 it was going to make it September 2021. That is giving everybody a 5 month notice. And they all did crap all with that info.

He did not wait. He did nothing. The US agreed under Trump that the US wouldn't be fighting the Taliban at all. Biden honored the agreement, and so did nothing with good reason. And the reason being, that stopping the Taliban would involve getting them 13,000 troops back and start all over with a war going nowhere.

As far as I know, nobody of all those people had an intentions to leave. They gambled that the pro western Afghan forces would be able to al least stop the Taliban. How is that gamble other people are making the fault of Biden? Biden is not in charge of the pro western Afghan forces.

Uh no. The day was set that Biden pulled out the troops. And everybody else waited till the very end and did nothing in order to get out in time.... assuming they all can take that same plane out the country on the last second.

Everybody knew what was going on. The Taliban was winning the war as soon as Trump pulled out them troops in 2020!!! How about you tell me why some 100,000 of deep state Americans were still present in Afghanistan in July 2021 with ZERO intent to leave, absolute ZERO intent to leave,... thinking they could just leave on that same plane at the last second? That airport only has 1 freaking landingstrip!


There even is some idiot who went to Afghanistan in JUNE 2021 got married and pregnant crying all over how she was left behind.
It's like reading a person denying covid is real, ends up dying from covid yet Fauci is still to blame even though he said what the dangers are.
Idiots acting idiotic are to blame for their own actions. That is where I stand.