Black Culture Pathology, What to do?

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  1. Seth Bullock

    Seth Bullock Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's because all you guys cared about after that shooting was taking away our gun rights.

    I posted this earlier today on another thread ...

    I would be willing to try a multi-pronged approach, but it would take time, money, and a willingness of the community.

    1) The current budget of the Chicago PD is about $1.5 billion for around 12,000 employees, over 11,000 of whom are sworn officers. I think I would double that budget through an ongoing grant from the federal government, but I would put all of that money under the control of outside trustees whose job it was to insure that all of that money was used to address the violence in the south and west sides of Chicago. It could be used to hire, train, support, and equip 11,000 officers to augment the officers already assigned to those areas, including additional Homicide detectives and Gang Enforcement Unit detectives. The trustees would continually study the structure and operations of the CPD to insure that the money was used for this purpose only. The result would be small sub-stations all over those areas, in neighborhoods, business areas, in the projects, near parks, and in schools, police officers on foot would be common. I would commit federal money for this for 10 years, and then evaluate.

    2) I would pull the financial carpet out from under the gangs. Marijuana for recreational use would become legal through licensed, ordinary retail outlets. It's this way in my state (Oregon), and it hasn't impacted the state or its people negatively. The state actually profits from the taxes on it. Additionally, I would open clinics for heroin, opioid, and crack cocaine addicts where they could receive those drugs free, or, alternately, drug treatment and rehab. Boom! These two measures alone would deprive the gangs of a giant source of income.

    3) Pass tax law that made Chicago an "enterprise zone". The deal would be that if you opened a manufacturing business that employed "x" number of people (maybe 30 or more), your business would pay no property taxes and no state or federal income taxes on profits for at least 10 years. You'd pay for your water and power of course, and your employees would pay their individual taxes. But the business could operate tax free for 10 years, after which time the law would sunset. At that time it could be renewed or modified or ended.

    4) Schools - Schools would be well-policed and safe. Children would receive classes on "Successful Living" from kindergarten to 12th grade. These classes would deal with avoiding drugs, gangs, and crime. It would cover the influence of advertising, music and entertainment. It would deal with sex, birth control, the consequences of pre-marital parenthood, and the benefits of one day forming your own two-parent family. It would deal with money: how to manage it, how not to waste it, and how to set oneself up to make good money in the future. And it would deal with how to treat others as an important part of the pathway to success.

    Seth
     
  2. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    1) More police? I don't think so. How about a special Federal unit operating their to curb violent crime.

    2) Yes, sort of. I asked my :weed: man to have California Certified Clean. Problem, California certified limits THC content so if you want the really good stuff, you support crime.

    3) Yes

    4) Yes.

    Problem.
    They still live with bad neighbors in high crime, Black neighborhoods.

    5) Create economic incentive to move to neighborhoods that promote
    integration and mainstreaming. Similar to Harlem, there really is no
    good economic base to employ so many persons and no land nearby to
    build your Tax Sheltered places of employment.


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    if any liberal can truly be termed, recovered




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  3. Seth Bullock

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    Federal officers only enforce federal law. Remember, CPD, is already there. There just needs to be a lot more of them in those worst areas.

    They might not be so high crime with all those police around.

    In order for any other programs to work, you have to have safety. They will simply not get off the ground without safety. It's a prerequisite to real progress on any other front.

    Those are solvable problems. Tear down abandoned buildings and create the space. Perhaps extend the enterprise zone to where there is land and bus the workers to and from work. Whatever ... it's solvable.
     
  4. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    https://www.yahoo.com/news/student-shot-north-carolina-high-school-suspect-arrested-122249016.html

    Student dies after fight ends in gunfire at NC high school

    A North Carolina high school student shot and killed a fellow student during a fight in a crowded school hallway Monday, officials said, calling the incident a case of bullying that "escalated out of control" which had students scurrying to escape and parents rushing to campus to check on their children.

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    16 year old 9th grader Jetwan Craig Cuffie
    shot and killed
    16 yeat old 10th grader Bobby McKeithen
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    90% of the time a Black person is killed, it is by another Black person.
    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....f_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls
    BLM? Tell Black people. March in Harlem, not Manhattan.

    And so it continues.


    Moi :oldman:
    Looking for solutions.
    First, WE must admit there is the "problem".





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  5. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Surprise

    Surprise

    Surprise

    or not

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/nurse-ar...etative-state-who-gave-birth-at-care-facility
    Nurse arrested in rape of woman in vegetative state who gave birth at care facility



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    A licensed practical nurse who was supposed to care for a woman in a vegetative state at a long-term Arizona nursing facility was arrested and charged with raping her after she gave birth to a baby last month, officials announced Wednesday.




    Don't Blame Moi
    because they is as they do !


    Moi :oldman:
    I'm not a racist, really






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  6. Andrew Jackson

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    Bumping a thread from 2013, that hasn't been commented on in several months, just to SPAM this sort of BS (and stir the pot)?

    What is your point?

    Seeing how much "veiled racism" that you can sneak past the Mods?
     
  7. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Au Contraire

    Let The Truth Set You Free.


    If you are a Black person and the victim of homicide,
    the chances are 90+percent you were killed by anther Black Person.
    Ref. above in FBI statistics.


    What the Thread is asking is to acknowledge
    and propose solutions.
    See #1.

    Do YOU have a solution beyond prisons or ignoring the evidence?
    A proactive solution for the young Black kids
    Gracias





    Moi :oldman:








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    Close.. but abortion kills many more blacks.. and now (the most evil thing I've ever heard) NY has legalized abortion up to birth..AND (this was one of Obama's primary legislative pushes when in the Illinois House) can be murdered if the baby survives the abortion attempt.
     
  9. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Similar to #280 that involved a comatose woman,
    this one involves a intellectually disabled woman, not comatose.



    https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/caregiver-arrested-disabled-woman-looking-033341357.html
    Caregiver Arrested After Disabled Woman

    He Was Looking After Has His Baby: Police

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    A Florida man, who worked in a group home for people with disabilities, has been arrested after an intellectually disabled woman allegedly had his baby.

    Willie Fred Shorter, 58, was taken into custody Wednesday on a charge of committing lewd and lascivious battery on a disabled person.



    Looking for solutions.
    Let's not deny the pathology.


    Moi
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  10. Moi621

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    Don't Blame Moi :oldman:


    https://www.yahoo.com/gma/ohio-stat...gedly-man-162103026--abc-news-topstories.html

    Abducted college student, suspect killed while fleeing
    from troopers: Police


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    Student Skylar Williams, 20, was at Ohio State's Mansfield campus at about 11:45 a.m. Monday when she was approached by suspect Ty'rell Pounds -- a man she knows, according to Ohio State's public safety department.

    Pounds, 24, reportedly armed with a handgun, forced Williams into a car and fled, the university's statement said.

    Hours later, at about 3:30 p.m., a witness reported seeing a woman in distress at a gas station and forced into a car, Kentucky State Police said.

    When officers tried to pull the driver over, Pounds allegedly fled, leading police on a chase, police said.


    While chasing after Pounds, a "trooper heard a gunshot coming from within the vehicle which he perceived as an immediate deadly threat to himself and the female passenger," state police said in a news release. "The trooper drew his service weapon and fired at which time the suspect was struck resulting in his death at the scene. During this event, the female passenger was struck by at least one round of gunfire."

    It was not immediately clear if she was shot by Pounds or an officer.




    Wanted.
    A solution to a cultural pathology.


    Moi :oldman:





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  11. Margot2

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    Black families are well aware of what is happening with these gang banger kids and they too are frightened.
     
  12. Moi621

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    Yet, they do not shy away from Black Neighborhoods.

    Moi's Solution has been and still is - Mainstreaming!

    Discrimination in housing is not what it was decades ago.
     
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    Where would they go? They can't afford to move to a McMansion in the suburbs.
     
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    Equally priced mixed neighborhoods.
     
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    Is that affordable housing?
     
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    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I believe equally priced housing is available in a mixed neighborhood.
    No qualification such a "affordable housing". Equally priced as stated.
    I take it, @Margot2 does not agree.
    So let's disagree and move on.
    Take the last word as you like
     
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    A nothing house in a poor neighborhood these days is $200,000.
     
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    What "pathology"?
    Are you just searching for crimes involving black people specifically and posting them?
     
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  19. Moi621

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    Please do not edit quotes so severely. Or note it when you do. Thanks


    Pathology. An over representation involving violent crime.
    And a culture that breeds it.

    What part are you missing?
    BTW Do BLM when 9 out of 10 killed Black people are killed by other Black people?
    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....f_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2015.xls

    I don't search for crimes.
    They are on my Yahoo News homepage. Headlines.

    Rather than deny the statistics,
    how about offering up solutions.
    This thread is about, stimulating people to think up solutions.

    It isn't via affirmative action nor a Black President. We've tried both.
     
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    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...frican-americans-and-pathological-stereotypes
     
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    That is just to deny a problem exists
    via power words such as "stereotypes".
    Stereotype Bad - - therefore no problem exists. easy peasy


    A Problem Exists Within The Culture
    of Black America.
    Deny it?


    How about we work on solutions.
    Affirmative action and special thises and thats is not it.

    There is no solution as long as the problem is denied.
    Get it?



    Moi :oldman:
    Admittedly I am a cup of coffee short so if I missed something
    in the link, please enlighten me gently.





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    What do you suggest?
     
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    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Scroll back I have placed my suggestion repeatedly. Over And Over.

    Hint: "mainstreaming".
     
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    Here we go again.
    And I have always asked for the solution on this thread.

    https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/hig...-off-fellow-student-goes-viral-015153063.html
    High schooler faces potential criminal charge after video of him knocking MAGA hat off fellow student goes viral


    A high school student from Edmond, Okla., could face a potential criminal charge after a viral video showed him knocking a “Make America Great Again” hat off of a peer’s head and grabbing his “Trump 2020” flag.


    School officials at Edmond Santa Fe High School told KOCO 5 that they have both surveillance video and cellphone video depicting the incident. Due to student confidentiality, the school will not release the surveillance video.



    The solution for this incident is obvious.
    Criminal assault charges need to be filed against the larger student.

    How old is the attacker? He appears too old for Public School.



    Regarding the incident above,
    What do you think?


    Moi :oldman:



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    This guy has some good input:

     

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