Black Professor says All White Males are Racists

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    Yes, and also some Whites who have been discriminated against in the U.S.A, are also richer than the typical White American, including Jews, Polish, and Italians.

    Yes, discrimination still happens against Jews, Polish, and Italians too

    I've heard kids growing up comparing bad things to "Jews" like quite being a Jew.

    I've heard dumb Polak jokes many times, and I was yelled at by a guy who yelled dumb Polak to me, in response to my Poland belt buckle.

    I've also heard some Italian jokes here, and my Italian friend had a group of kids yell "WOP, WOP, WOP" at him, a racial slur against Italians.
     
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    I have to congratulate you for taking the time to expose this liberal for the complete fool, agitator and race baiting or racist persona he portrays here. As I'm preparing to go on an extended vacation I didn't have the time to go in depth with a response to his foolishness. So thanks again for beautifully rendering that guy inept, disingenuous and as a guy who
    still thinks we're living in the Jim Crow daze of a past era. Nice job. Woops, I mentioned 'job'....something that clown probably thinks is something that whitey is withholding or suppressing from him and blacks in general.
     
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    My signature refers to a study done on explicit anti-black racial prejudice and the above is an expression of explicit anti-black racial prejudice because there are no studies that indicate blacks have lower ability than whites.

    This anti-black prejudice is often based upon the statistically lower IQ test scores for blacks but that ignores many relevant factors about IQ tests and test scores. IQ tests don't test "human intelligence" but instead test a very limited criteria related to specific attributes of human intelligence predominately related to education and employment characteristics. By analogy an IQ test score is like trying to determine the performance of an automobile based upon the color of the car. They're really that superficial in nature. Additionally the greatest influence upon the IQ test score isn't the person's intelligence related to the test but instead is their motivation when taking the test. Studies have shown that "motivation" alone can result in a 20 point difference in the test score. That's basically the difference between the average white and black IQ test score.

    We know that black children up to about age 5 test basically identically to white children but then their scores drop off significantly by high school age. We also know that starting at about age 5 a black child starts to become aware or the anti-black racial prejudice and discrimination where they will not be allowed to compete equally with "whites" when it comes to future employment even if they do better in school. They lose their motivation to achieve because they know that there isn't a "level playing field" when it comes to their future. This decreased motivation, driven by an awareness of anti-black racial prejudice and discrimination, significantly lowers there academic performance and their IQ test scores as they grow older. Motivation and not intelligence makes the difference based upon numerous studies.

    Let me address performance in the work place. We know from studies that white female in the same job role as a white male statistically earn 10% less than their white male counterpart. We also know from studies that a black male in the same job role as a white statistically earn 40% less than their white counterpart. In my 45 year manufacturing career as a part of my job role I had the opportunity to evaluate job performances by white males, white females, and black males and the white females and black males consistently outperformed the white males in the same job roles. Yes, my evidence is anecdotal but it is consistent with studies on job performance in the private sector.

    The belief that blacks fail due to a lack of ability is literally nonsense based upon studies by the APA and is being propagated by the racists.

    A quick statistical fact. For two economic groups to reach parity it requires about 15 generations. If all things were equal (i.e. no economic discrimination) except family wealth between blacks and whites when slavery ended in the United States it would require roughly 450 years for the family wealth of both to equalize.

    There are huge cultural differences between blacks, whites and Asian and while Asians have historically been oppressed by whites in America it was never to the extent of the oppression against blacks. The Asians brought to America a culture that was generally thousands of years old where they could over-come oppression while the blacks had their culture destroyed when they were brought here as slaves. They didn't even have the basic "family" unit because blacks couldn't marry and form families. Even "de facto" families were destroyed when, at any time, one of the adults could be "shipped down the river" to the slave auctions. Children were routinely taken from their parent(s) and sold off from the plantation. The black culture in America has had to develop from scratch since the ending of slavery and it's had to do so while facing the most extreme forms of racial oppression in America.

    We also know why Asians are doing better than whites in America even though they still face discrimination. Based upon their culture they're highly motivated to succeed in education and enterprise far more than whites and they have the financial support of their families to succeed.

    Unfortunately blacks don't have a culture that's thousands of years old to draw upon nor do their families have the financial resources to allow them to succeed because of the severe economic oppression they've always had to endure in the United States. Asians, while discriminated against socially and economically, were never discriminated against to the extent that black Americans have faced, and their culture of mutual support was far more extensive. Asians had a much lower "bar" to success when compared to African-Americans so it was much easier for them to succeed. We've placed the "bar" to success so high for blacks in America that few can ever succeed.

    Of course whites could to better than Asians but we've become so used to "white privilege" in America that we've become lazy and lost some of the motivation that would allow us to compete with the highly motivated and financially supported Asians in American society. We, whites, generally have the financial support of our families but we don't exploit it like the Asians tend to do. It's a cultural difference. My family had the money to fund my college education but I still dropped out after a couple of years.

    There are some that claim "white privilege" doesn't exist but I know it does because I've personally benefited from it in my career when it was unmistakable. My uncle became and executive for Northrop during the 1960's when there were only white executives. Later on, after he retired, I needed a job and so I called him. He then called one of his "white executive" friends that was still at Northrop that instantly directed HR to hire me. I did have qualifications for the job but the job was instantly given without an interview or even an evaluation of my resume. I was hired because I was the (white) nephew of my (white) uncle that was allowed to rise to the executive level because he was a white man. Yes, it also included nepotism but it was still "white privilege" because a black could never have called anyone to get the job because there were no top executives at Northrop that were black.
     
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    Your argument is logically incoherent. I'm not comparing Asians and blacks, but Asians and whites. If Asians are more discriminated than whites how are they better off than whites in the US? If you cannot explain this discrepancy in your argument why would anyone believe racism is the primary cause for black-white social achievement gaps?
     
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    IQ is accurate enough to show that down syndrome people typically score retarded IQ's, while on the inverse the best, and brightest typically score high IQ's.

    Coincidence?
     
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    Low motivation can be caused by slow thyroid function, which Blacks have been shown to have, which slow thyroid function also inhibits mental function.

    Not to mention, people who are stupid, will be less likely to be motivated sometimes, because they've given up on intelligence matters, due to a lack of focus, or frustration of intellectual failure.
     
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    Irish also had their culture largely destroyed, much like Black Americans did.

    Irish Catholics also came here, and experienced a lot of discrimination too.

    But, Irish Catholics are doing fine in the U.S.A, they make up part of the educated core of the U.S North-East.

    But, Irish Protestants are a different story, many of them are Appalachians, and only have had so - so results.

    But, it was the Irish Catholics who experienced more discrimination than the Irish Protestants did.
     
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    Using an example of "White privilege" from the 1960's, is completely irrelevant today.

    A lot has changed since then, and now with affirmative action,many companies are forced to hire minorities, even at the expense of Whites at times.

    So, no I don't think there's much White privilege anymore.
     
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    No, it's not coincidence but instead is planned and incorporated into the IQ tests themselves. The IQ tests, as noted, measure a very limited range of human intelligence and it targets a person's ability to learn in our traditional education systems. That doesn't imply the person with down syndrome can't learn but they require special education for that purpose. At the same time I don't believe that those with down syndrome have a general awareness of discrimination against them that would cause them to significantly lose motivation in taking the test. That requires a much higher level of intelligence from what I would guess. The greater the "human intelligence" of the person the more likely they will display a greater or lesser motivation to take a test. Key would probably be what value to they place in the test? If, for example, you know that your education is not going to be treated equally with another person's identical education then why strive to succeed when it really won't matter down the road because of discrimination?

    Think about this fact. Many blacks think they have a greater chance of success in professional sports or entertainment than they have based upon an education. As remote as that likelihood is they still believe it because of the extensive anti-black discrimination they know exists in traditional forms of employment. So instead of focusing on taking an IQ test that doesn't have any meaning for their future they spend the least amount of time takning the test, not caring if their answers are correct or not, so that they can get back out on the "basketball" court to practice or to work on some form of entertainment training like song writing.

    Motivation, motivation, motivation. I don't know how many times this has to be stated before people understand. Perhaps I can provide an anecdotal example.

    When I was in high school we took IQ tests and I scored very high on them. When I was in my early 30's I decided to take the MENSA test where those in the top two percentile qualify to join MENSA. I'm not a "joiner" but I was very motivated to find out if my actual IQ qualified me to join MENSA so I signed up and took their test. I can personally attest to the fact that it's a very difficult IQ test dealing in very abstract reasoning and logic and I was actually someone surprised that I passed the MENSA test and was invited to join MENSA. Of course I turned it down because I never wanted to join MENSA to begin with and I'd found out what I wanted to know. Today I could take that same IQ test and I wouldn't pass simply because I no longer have any reason to pass the test. I'm just not motivated because I've already "passed" it once and my curiosity was satisfied.

    When it comes to IQ tests, that as noted only address a small sliver of human intelligence, a person's mental capabilities do limit how high they can score on the test but they don't limit how low a person can score because that's based upon motivation, motivation, motivation. A person may easily have the mental capabilities to score 110 on an IQ test but because of a lack of motivation they can easily score 90 or less. If they don't give a damn at all they can literally score 0 on the test.
     
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    Technically you're correct, this is definitely anecdotal. I don't believe you took the "MENSA" test and were offered membership though.
     
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    The original opinion piece.

    Seems well written and thought provoking to me.

    I think this is more of a "he who smelled it, dealt it" sort of reaction here, whereas a conversation on race initiates a reflexive accusation of being a racist, in this case directed towards the author of the opinion piece.

    http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/12/24/dear-white-america/?_r=1
     
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    Interesting because I'd missed the medical research on this but it's true.

    http://health.usnews.com/health-new...ain-thyroid-related-diseases-may-vary-by-race

    So both conditions exist but it would appear that a hyperthyroidism, more typical in blacks, wouldn't negatively effect motivation because the person is "hyped up" metabolically because of the illness while hypothyroidism, more typical in whites, could because it slows down the person's metabolism. In any case both are treatable with medication, they're relatively rare diseases, and they are typically a disease the person develops in adulthood so they wouldn't affect the IQ test scores that are typically taken when a person is in high school.

    Nice try considering that no studies establish the blacks are more "stupid" than whites. As Forest Gump said, "Stupid is as stupid does" and there's apparently a lot of "stupid whites" when it comes to understanding blacks and anti-black racial prejudice and discrimination in America. Why is that do you suppose?
     
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    You don't know when to stay down, son. You've got dysentery of the mouth about something with which no one agrees with you - not even black people, though they'd never admit it. Watching you dig yourself into a hole using the pretense of quasi-altruistic moonbat "brotherhood of man" nonsense is laughable at best. When what you say is examined closely, you appear to not even believe what you say, which means there's hope for you. In addition, you're ironically identifying yourself as a closet racist, and for a moonbat to do that is to metaphorically annihilate himself. Compare what you said in your last paragraph to the next one.

    Nobody said that. You said that. Ha ha ha ha ha.

    Yeah, just the intelligence useful to society.

    What would help? Cartoons on the test? Boobs? How about a coupon for a large pizza if you do the test? You said in your last aimless rumination that blacks are less likely to be hired than whites. Not only did you and could you not prove that, you're now suggesting that blacks need to be cajoled into any demonstration of intellectual acumen. You would make one useless lawyer, pal.

    So who steps in and pops the balloon for the little black kids? Does "whitey" come on TV between cartoons and tell kids they have no future? Show these studies. Post something. We all know you're making this up as you go along, and you're not fooling anybody.

    Step out of the time machine, Poindexter. You don't like when Republicans remind you that Democrats started the KKK. What do you say to them? Yeah, think about it.

    No, you're saying that. But what you have actually proven, if the absolute detritus of your post is screened for bull(*)(*)(*)(*) leaving what you said to be taken at face value, is that the diligence of black people is obstructed by lack of motivation caused by feelings that they will be kept down by white people. But white people aren't saying anything to keep them from doing anything. Gangsta rappers and firebrand African Studies professors are, but in the real world, it isn't happening. Therefore, blacks are standing in their own way. That is true.

    Yeah. Hey, if your hand is bigger than your face, you have a chromosome deficiency. Try it. *SLAP*

    Ask Asians what they think of blacks. Do it. Just ask one of them. Start with Korean store owners in Long Beach, California. As far as slavery, on behalf of white people, I appoint you official apologist. For the rest of your life, you now have to run to the store to buy menthol cigarettes and malt liquor whenever asked.

    Ah ha ha ha ha ha. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Come on, you're high right now, aren't you? You're like a Saturday Night Live skit. "Hey, you Asians are all good in school and your families are rich. Can you give black people any pointers so we can end bigotry?" Hahahahahahaha.

    Wait - you're white?? You must be hilarious around black people. They would smell your disingenuous obsequiousness to them, and they would amuse themselves by hitting on your wife right in front of you, and you would deserve every second of it. Seriously, try it sometime. It probably already happened, didn't it?

    Physician, heal thyself. Don't concern yourself with the faux plight of black people. You have your own issues. Make an appointment with a psychiatrist and ask him/her about "reaction-formation".
     
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    Let's cut to the chase. Generally speaking the only demographic group where there hasn't been historical discrimination and oppression in the United are White Anglo Saxon Protestant Men. We can typically find historical cases of discrimination and oppression against all demographic groups except White Anglo Saxon Protestant Men in the United States.

    The statement that Irish Catholics had their culture destroyed when they immigrated to the United State is shear nonsense. It never happened and, in fact, when they were facing the greatest discrimination and oppression, they typically isolated themselves in "Irish" communities that preserved their cultural heritage. Yes, the Irish Catholics suffered the most discrimination because they weren't Protestants. WASP Male Supremacy in the United States, which has always existed, didn't target the Protestant Irish and they were only caught up in the discrimination and oppression because most Irish were non-Protestants (Catholics). If the Irish Protestants would have been coming from England and been Anglo-Saxons then they would have been welcomed by the WASP Male Supremacists in America but they weren't English and they were "associated" with the Catholic Irish because of national origin.

    Once again not even the Irish Catholics suffered the extent of the extreme social, economic, and political discrimination and oppression of the blacks in the United States. It didn't even come close and the Irish cannot be compared to the blacks. For example I can't recall any "Jim Crow Laws" that prevented the Irish from voting when they became citizens and the Irish were even allowed to vote prior to the repeal of the voting laws that allowed non-citizens to vote as long as they were white non-citizens. In fact the very first immigration law (i.e. Immigration Act of 1790) for the United States would have granted them US citizenship after two years just because they were white if I recall correctly.

    You keep grasping at straws to justify anti-black racial prejudice but none of the facts support the claims.
     
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    This seems to bother you a lot. How would you suggest fixing this problem?
     
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    While he is entitled to his opinion, it is just that, an opinion from one person. Sorry about cutting out the rest of your partisan rant but it is not relevant to the discussion.
     
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    This has to be one of the most moronic statements ever made because it's apparently based upon the supernatural power to read minds.

    Here's the bottom line. I know I can't do anything to change the racist's opinion that are based upon anti-black racial prejudice because racial prejudice is due to intentional ignorance. The person that has anti-black racial prejudice simply doesn't want to know the facts because knowledge destroys the prejudice. There's an old saying that's applicable.

    Never try to teach a pig to sing.
    It's a waste of your time,
    and annoys the pig.

    I'm through trying to "teach a pig to sing" because they just don't want to know the truth when it comes to racism in the United States. If the racist ever wants to stop being a racist then all they have to do is learn about racism and racial prejudice. I had to do it to overcome my personal racial prejudice and no one could really help me in that quest for knowledge. The racist is only a racist because they choose to be ignorant.
     
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    This is a huge problem to overcome and there's no magic bullet to end White (WASP) Male Supremacy in our social, economic, and political institutions that has existed in America from colonial days. It is certainly deserving of it's own thread but I will provide just one recommendation.

    We need to replace Section 4b of the Voting Rights Act that was struck down by the US Supreme Court because it was "out of date" and based upon the 1964 elections. Since Section 4b was struck down we've seen extensive legislation, such as Voter ID laws, that are disproportionately disenfranchising minorities and women. Disenfranchisement of minority voters is based upon demographic information on the minority voters. For example studies indicate that about 25% of black (US citizen) registered voter don't have the specific "government issued ID" required to vote, about 17% of Hispanics don't have that ID, and only about 7% of whites, mostly women, don't have the ID. The only election fraud issue that the ID requirement addresses is voter impersonation at the poll (not citizenship) and that crime is virtually non-existent in the United States and has not affected any election at least in modern times. It's a Jim Crow voting law that's just as nefarious as the Jim Crow voting laws before the Voting Rights Act.

    Replacing Section 4b of the Voting Rights Act addressing disenfranchisement of minority voters today would be a good place to start. It would only be a small step in climbing a very high mountain but at least it would be a start on that path.
     
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    It seems easier to just get rid of you.
     
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    African Americans demonstrated consistently lower TSH levels than whites. These differences were unexplained by racial differences in either TPO antibody seropositivity, iodine status, or chorionic gonadotropin levels.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16319264
     
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    No, it probably meant he was given preferential admission and hiring.

    Just because Hillary Clinton is a racist, war-mongering neo-con, shill for big banks and Wall Street, and an employee of foreign governments and corporations does that mean all Democrats who support her also are?
     
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    What about Jews?

    In the 19th century Jews were targets of Pogroms, and yet still would dominate intellectual fields.

    How come?

    Why did Jews in oppressive conditions find that being hyper focused on education was the key, while African Americans did not?

    The reasons are obvious.

    African Americans go with their strengths, being that they have more muscle mass, and fast twitch muscle fibers for explosive speed, which is good for sports, however African Americans on average have slower thyroids, smaller brains, and more dolichocephalic skulls, which are more primitive, and have less frontal brain, and more primitive rear brain.
     
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    I wonder why he left out white women?
     
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    With President Obama applauding being called a "(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)" to his face at the correspondents dinner, wouldn't the polite thing be for all of us to do is call him the same out of respecting Obama's preference?
     
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    Blacks score lower IQ scores, PISA scores, and SAT scores.

    What do you mean, that there hasn't been studies proving Blacks aren't as intelligent?
     

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