Bombshell: Roy Moore Accuser Beverly Nelson Admits She Forged Yearbook

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  1. GreenBayMatters

    GreenBayMatters Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    1) The yearbook signature was Roy Moore DA not DDA His usual signature is Roy S Moore
    2) Roy S Moore was the Judge for her divorce settlement..
    3) One of the divorce papers was signed by the Judge Roy S. Moore /DA
    4) The /DA means it was not signed by Roy S. Moore but by a clerk with the initials DA
    5) whoever signed the yearbook copied the signature of the legal document, including the DA because they were ignorant of what the DA meant.
     
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    No. It's because I've read the Moore defenses rebuttal of this woman's claim of what happened 38 years ago. Many parts of her story don't match with known facts.There isn't time for a deposition from all parties before the election. Because opponents waited until 30 days before the election (stories were known by other Republican opponents (Jeb Bush Supporters)way before the WaPo got involved in the story) which makes me wary about the honesty involved.Because it is a very important Senate, not congressional, seat, I don't want Democrats to get it thru chicanery. If Moore wins, the Senate can decide to have the matter handle by the ethics committee.
     
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    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    at her first press conference she made the claim what she provided to the press was what Moore wrote and what she provided to the press was all of the note including what later she testified she wrote
    she didn't admit till yesterdays that part of the note was her writing
     
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    You should look up the definition of "pedophile" before you use it. Seeing as the Left sent a rapist (Bill Clinton) and someone plotting treason (Obama) to the Whit House, it seems a bit silly to get offended over Moore. Besides, he was a Democrat when he played around.
     
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    I am not basing my opinion about the pedophile Moore on party affiliation and I am well aware that Moore changed his party affiliation just a little before I did. You need to look up the definition of rapist because I see you are using the term "rapist " against Monika's Boyfriend the same way I use "pedophile" to describe Moore. Neighter you nor I are using it in the legal sense.

    PS-you are falsely or mistakenly assuming that I am a Democrat...never assume
     
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    Agreed about chicanery but that applies to both sides. I also understand the Republican's dilemma here. As President Trump mentioned yesterday in Pensacola, they can't afford to lose a Republican Senate seat....what was unsaid was "even if that means electing a Republican who likes little girls".

    As you said, get him elected then let the Senate ethics committee handle it. Even if Moore did molest little girls, it's more important that the Republicans win a Senate seat than little girls be given justice for the actions of a sexual predator. This is exactly the attitude Democrats had in 1992; they threw women under the bus because it was more important to elect a really cool Democrat to the White House than to give raped women justice.
     
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    Agreed on Clinton, disagreed on Obama (see Hanlon's Razor).

    As for Moore, what's wrong with diddling 16 year olds? All men like them young and sweet, amirite? Cruising the mall for young girls is not illegal, dammit! ;)
     
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    The only thing proved and admitted to so far is that 38 years ago he dated teen age girls of legal age.Weird but not career ending. Listen. if they would turn over the yearbook for age testing of the ink, this one case would be settled before election day but they refuse to submit to testing. Why? If they won't play fair, screw them an elect Moore.
     
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    a portion, which means he still signed it? if only a portion, why did he lie about signing it? if he only had one accuser, it would be one thing..... does lower her credibility that she did not mention that right off, just like his was lowered by things he has done

    "“Nelson admits she did make notes to the inscription,” ABC News tells us. “But the message was all Roy Moore.”

    “Beverly, he signed your yearbook,” ABC News reporter Tom Llamas says.

    “He did sign it,” she replies.

    “And you made some notes underneath.”

    “Yes,” Nelson says."


    so she added the time and place it was signed....? that would not change the fact he signed it.. right? this is a child's yearbook after all

    so let's get this right, he signs it, she adds a inscription below it saying the time and place and people think that proves she is lying?
     
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    Ahh, it was Juanita Broaddrick that accused Bill Clinton of rape and even a story in the New York Times claims she is right.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/13/opinion/juanita-broaddrick-bill-clinton.html

    You still think Moore is a pedophile. He was not accused of that, so look up the definition. Calling him a pedophile is more Liberal insane painting with a too broad brush.

    If you are going to try to pass as a Conservative, you have to try harder to get the facts right. It is the major difference between Conservatives and Liberals.
     
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    No, I'll stick with my appraisal of Obama. I can't see him going nuts the moment he entered the Oval Office the first time. He was one of my U.S. Senators from Illinois, so I had a chance to watch his political performance before he got to be Prez; it was pathetic. He tried to undermine the Constitution, turned federal agencies against the American people.

    Right on about young girls; ya gotta get to 'em before the turn Liberal.
     
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    The signature has not been forensically authenticated, and Nelson's story has changed since the first claim when Allred appeared with her.

    That dog don't hunt.
     
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    So the liberal rag the NYT printed something you agree with so they are not fake news if you agree with them. My calling the POS More a pedophile is not a partisan deal it is my personal opinion of him based upon his track record and apparent fetish for underaged and young girls. There are several women who came forward and accused his of either molesting them or dating them when they were teens and he was in his 30 's.

    Any guy in his 30's should not be dating teen girls, should not be lurking around dance recitals for pre teen, 6 year olds, and young teen girls. Roy More admitted in an interview that first "laid eyes" upon his current wife when se was 15 when he was lurking around dance recitals. What normal man of 30+ lurks around dance recitals for young girls?

    What else did he do around young girls and young teens? Did he try to get some of their clothes? Did he take pictures of them changing outfits? Did he commit perverted acts such as exposing himself? These are questions not accusations and you may say that I am being unfair with my questions ok maybe so but answer the prime basic question do you think it is normal and moral for a 30+ man to have a thing for young teens and underaged girls???

    Again that is not a partisan, political, or ideological question it is a question of morality.
     
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    I heard on TV that she claimed that she later added to his signature to remember the details. Is it likely you'd forget the person that molested you?
     
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    It sure won't!
     
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    To try to sell this as "she lied about the whole thing!!" is really shocking.
    From the get go, when you saw the picture of the signature, you could see that the time and place were written in a bubbly girlie hand writing. No attempt was made to match Moore's handwriting or signature. If you guys want to get appoplectic about that not having been made clear enough to you, fine. For anyone to try to claim forgery is really sad.
    I am sure that 80 percent of republicans now beleive that the whole story is fake (pretty much what we seem to have on PF)
    Talk about seeing what we want to see!

    Now about the "why didn't she say anythibg for 40 years?" people. have you guys not noticed the amount of people who are coming forward after 40 years for verifiable incidences of assault?
     
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    Like when Bill Clinton supporters and groups like NOW threw all of Bill's victims under the bus in 1992, this Moore situation is about political expediency not justice. As the last tax reform vote proved, the Republicans need every vote they can muster so losing a single Senate seat is a major problem for them. There could be pictures of Moore butt-****ing a row of 12 year old girls and they'd still support him because the Republicans need that seat. That said, once the election is over, they can throw Moore to the wolves since the seat would be filled by a Republican.
     
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    Is it normal for a human male to want to have sex with young girls? Of course it is. Humans are animals just like every other animal on our planet with base sexual drives. However, within the established morality of our society, it is considered improper for a male of 32 to pursue a female of 14-17. But, you have to remember that it wasn't too long ago that the normal life span in America was down in the 40-50's and it was common to marry off girls of 10-14. As our society developed, many southern states that were further from what passed for advanced living conditions, commonly allowed very young girls to become wives. It was a simple matter of health and longevity.

    I don't agree with the NYT because they agree with me, I just point out that the NYT finally got something right.

    As with Liberals in general, your "personal opinion" has taken the place of facts. Moore is not or was not a pedophile; he did not pursue prepubescent girls.

    Do you even read what you write? Do you really imagine Moore was sneaking around the dressing rooms sniffing panties? You should be writing for grocery store tabloids. You personify the main problem that this country has with Liberals: You make up what suits your agenda as you go.
     
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    Are Senators Corker and Shelby liberals? They do not support Moore so using your criteria they must be liberals since they are not supporting Moore. Love it how most Trump supporters when you do not have anything factual you make accusations of liberalism. In the event you do not know it I will tell you that it is not just liberals who are disgusted with guys like Moore who prey on young and underage girls.

    As regarding whether Moore sniffed young girl's panties well that is a question hence I used an "?". I deem it a valid question considering Moore's track record.

    Regarding the fact that that last century people did marry at a younger age is no excuse for such behavior these days. Just because slavery was legal and practiced in some states back then do you advocate slavery for today?

    In predominantly Muslim countries and ME countries they find it acceptable for young teens or younger be given to ( arranged marriage) older men so is that something we should mimic here. Seems as if Moore thinks so.
     
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    For you to know that, you'd have to know that he doesn't want to be under oath.

    Which of course you don't.
     
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    I don't have anything factual? You're the one imagining the panty raids.

    You think Republicans not supporting Moore is significant? Republicans don't support Trump. They lost their credibility years ago.

    I never said Moore's diddling was proper, its just so minor compared to what Liberals will tolerate from theri own members. Before you go any further with Moore, explain to all of us how you are leading a movement to investigate Bill Clinton on a charge of RAPE.
     
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    The Brietbart article title has been fact checked, and was false:

    https://www.snopes.com/moore-accuser-yearbook/

    Unlike responsible news organizations, which they are not, they have not retracted or corrected their article or title.

    Even Fox was wise enough to correct this fake news.
     
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    Citation needed,

    https://www.snopes.com/moore-accuser-yearbook/

     
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    Don't need a link since the claim is made thru observation and known facts. Even you could do it.and make persuasive case to a jury.

    demonstrable

    • adj.
      Capable of being demonstrated or proved: demonstrable truths.
    • adj.
      Obvious or apparent: demonstrable lies.
    Now if you are seeking truth, please advocate for the release of the yearbook so ink aging and ink comparison tests can be run.These test should prove who the liar was. It would have been nice to run these tests prior to the election .
    Have you seen any explanation as to why the letters AD follow the signature in the yearbook?
     
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    So you have no citation showing that the signature is false. You are basing this completely on your subjective beliefs. Zero data.

    I didn't think so.

    "At a subsequent news conference, Nelson’s lawyer, Gloria Allred, released the findings of a handwriting analyst who concluded that the signature on the yearbook inscription did indeed belong to Roy Moore."
     
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