"Businesses that pay less than living wages don't deserve to exist" - President

1) I am not loyal to strangers; and

2) The Living Wage calculator puts the "Living Wage" in my area at less than $8 per hour, so your "By all accounts" statement is factually inaccurate.

 

If I may? one side is all about "feeling" better. feelings being the operative word
The other side KNOWS if it's better thinking is the operative word here
We have raised a generation of people who are convinced that feeling is so much more important than thinking. Think I'm wrong? Start listening to news reporting. Read any daily or weekly rag. Pick a subject and there's always a relationship containing the word, "feeling." It is rare to find an article that contains the word "thinks" in it.
Well, while we're so busy worrying about feelings, those bastards on the Hill are thinking.

 

I asked him this. He replied that it has never been raised high enough. At that point I had him in a logical pincer because he had already claimed that a $100 minimum wage was ridiculous and I was stupid to even suggest it.

He had painting himself into a corner of admitting that the minimum can be set to high, too low, and that just right wasn't a number that actually existed.

 

I'm pretty sure he meant chum................

 

So the subsidizing of Walmart is a good thing, and you are all willing to pay whatever taxes are necessary, so Walmart can pay less for it's workers, and transfer those taxes to the Walton family fortune.....OK

 

source on Walmart getting subsidies.......................

 

Get some skills and find another job.

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Walmart gets no subsides. Stop lying.

 

I've already asked for cites or sources for Walmart getting subsidies............he doesn't have them.

 

given how many Wal-mart employees are on welfare that we taxpayers front the bill for, i think Walmart gets plenty of "subsidies"

 

poor economic decisions by employees with their own money are not the responsibilities of the employer.

 

lol - keep living in that bubble. it will cost your side the presidency for the next 20 years.

 

and yet, after 8 years of Obama, and 15.9 years of FDR... there is still poverty.....


I never claimed the 47% were smart.... which explains why they remain on govt subsidies for more than temporary lengths of time.

 

the "every poor person is poor because they want to be" line is played out.
the nation is moving past this ignorance - deal with it.

 

nothing I said claimed the poor WANT to be poor.


Prisoners don't WANT to be locked up, but they made a poor decision in life
16 y.o. girls don't WANT to be pregnant, but they made a poor decision in life
People don't WANT to make min wage, but they made a poor decision in life



if you settle on a low-skill set for yourself, you can't complain nowhere but McDonalds will hire you for min wage


I myself, personally chose to use that middle-aged girl named Della, as my "what not to do in life" as my example and motivation of what to do to avoid her life.

 

very flawed analogy.
people who commit crimes deserve to go to jail.
16 year old girls who have unprotected sex are fully responsible for pregnancy.
a 25 year old guy with a degree in econ who can't find a job in the field so he's forced to work at Burger King for $8/hr did't make a bad decision - he was royally hosed by a horrible unstable and unfair economy.

 

Dude, don't you know? People who go to college should know MAGICALLY how the world will shake out in the long run, and it was OBVIOUS that he should have studied TECH or HEALTH. Anyone with hindsight knows that....

 

people who don't improve their skillset DESERVE minimum wage....

and you still avoid the fact that you can't show how many of the 6% of college degreed individuals earn min wage as their main source of income.



EVEN when you can show me, the follow up question is "what's their degree in" Liberal Arts majors, despite being college educated, are not marketable.....


I know plenty of teachers who are now working lawn care and other min wage jobs.... why? because they got their licesnses suspended or revoked for unethical behavior. Their degree is worththless because of a choice they made.

 

how is a 25 year old with an econ degree supposed to improve his skill set when he can't find a job ?
you never think things through !

 

oh contrare.... I think it was the economics major who got a degree in a field not highly demanded in his area that didn't think things through....


I did think my degree through....
part of chosing a degree is understanding demand for that degree and demand in your area.

A degree in theatre (offered at my university) may do you well in say... New York City..... but in my neck of the woods.... it's worth NOTHING.

 

at 24, despite having a pretty high demand career, I was forced to accept a crap teaching position that noone else wanted (for good reason) just so I'd have a job.

There are other ways to get your foot in the door in my field, for less pay, mind you, but it's experience you need to get that first job. I know I didn't go to 4 years of school for education just to end up a paraprofessional for my first year..... but I would have done it if it got me that crucial experience I needed at a young age, when I was competing with more experienced professionals for positions

 

lol - an Econ degree is not sufficient for a job beyond flipping burgers, huh ?
what a joke.

 

I didn't say that either... I understand your bleeding heart is preventing hearing reality....


but he's 25.... he's got ZERO experience and now expects a job to just magically be offered to him over all the other economists who have experience?


I don't know how you get your foot in the door in a career like that.... because it's not my field.... but if you can't figure out how to get your foot in the door of the field you choose.... you have failed.... and flipping burgers is the consequence of that poor planning.

 

why does he have zero experience ? it's because he can't find a job.
i got a degree in Journalism in 2002 along with BA in political science. I couldn't find a job even though I applied to hundreds of papers. what was i to do ? i got the degree and did everything asked, and then nothing.

 

Walmart gets nothing. It's employees might but they don't. Go work somewhere else if you don't like it there.

 

They have no rent or mortgage, so yeah, it's possible to live on $14,000.

That's an unusual situation, though. Most places don't have livable houses available for $28,000.

Typically people spend 1/3 to 1/2 their income on housing (the higher share is for those who are poor). So that $14,000 is the equivalent of $28,000 if they had to pay for housing.

$28,000 for a family of four is above the poverty level of $23,850.
http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/14poverty.cfm

So not a great example.