California Wasting Water, Oroville Dam a biggie, is draining.

You are making a lot of false assumptions. For one, you don't know how much more rain you will get.

These decisions are often made based on variables the general public doesn't know about. As a rule, the decisions make sense if you have ALL of the information they have.

 

Stay safe.

And you're right its highly unlikely the California government is going to respond to a matter of looting.

In fact the last I heard was that the Butte County Sheriff said that looting and shootings were "rumor" and had not been "investigated".

I'm guessing that statement was handed down directly from Jerry Brown's office.

There's simply no way they're going to allow that news to get out because of what it means.

 

looters should be shot. I've been evacuated for fires in the past and there have been problems with looting. My best friend is Chief of our fire department and I also have a good friend that is Highway patrol. They kept an eye on my place since they didn't evacuate. Allowing them to raid my house for food went along way for the favor. power was out so food was going to spoil anyway.

 

On Arnold's watch, this earthen based spillway was brought up as waiting to fail.
What Did The Arnold Do?
Nada.


Blame The Arnold, not Jerry.


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Here is the funny thing about your saying this. It does not matter how much rain we get (even though they are expecting another 2-6 inches this week). That is because of the Sierra Snowpack.

While they only measure the snowpack "officially" 2 times a season, in January and again in April. And this time we are seeing a drastic change in the last month.

The January 3 measurement had it at 70% of normal, with a water content of 6 inches of water when melted.

The Late January-Early February storms have by all estimates doubled the size of the snowpack. Which means 100-125% of normal, or 8-12+ inches of water.

So even if no more rain falls for the rest of the season (unlikely, March-May are the wettest months of the year), we are going to have a lot of snowmelt coming in a few months.

So no, no false assumption at all here. If you are going to try and play Doubting Thomas and contradict everything, at least try to consider all of the facts first.

Tell that to the owner of the store across the street from mine, which had 2 of her windows broken Sunday night by people trying to get in.

Tell that to the 6 bums I ran off in the last day and a half trying to enter trailers abandoned when the owners fled.

I have no doubt that the reason we are not seeing reports is because most of the people are in the evacuation centers so they do not know. Wanna bet the cops are going to be working overtime once people return home and find they had been burglarized while they were gone?

 

Why?

Remember, this is the DWR. Odds are neither Arnold nor Moonbeam ever saw those reports, essentially they were "below their paygrade". No more then I would expect the President to know the state of a levy along the Mississippi River (which is Army Corps of Engineers - Federal).

But what I can and do blame the Governor for is the failure of the response and lack of actions over the last week.

So yes, I am gonna blame Jerry and not Arnold for this mess. The real mess is how this evacuation has been a complete and utter abortion. Starting with how it took the Butte County Sheriff to order it. And how the state was not prepared in any way to handle the evacuation. And how after 3 days they still have not taken charge or done anything to help the situation.

How can that be the problem of anybody but Moonbeam?

 

I will be interested in seeing if the looting is being done in majority by a particular race.

Because the answer there could explain why the California government would try to squash reporting of it.

If government is going to enforce a mandatory evacuation then they need to devote enough manpower to protecting the region from looting for as long as its safe for the men on the ground to be there.

 

From what I have seen they are the local homeless. Race has nothing to do with it (but if you must know most of them are white).

All of those my wife and I chased off were white.

 

It usually has a lot to do with looting which is why I did ask.

Well its a good thing she was able to discourage their looting and remain safe in the process.

I know California has done a lot to make sure home owners cannot defend their property, or themselves, so I'll chalk this up as a win.

 

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/02/18/glory-glory-water-spills-into-glory-hole-at-lake-berryessa/

Water spills into Lake Berryessa’s (California) iconic Glory Hole​

After a drought-ridden 10-year period, Friday water finally spilled (on its own) into Lake Berryessa’s Glory Hole, bringing an end to the longest gap between spills in the lake’s history. “Surprising,” said Solano County Water Agency General Manager Roland Sanford. “Given where we started, nobody initially thought it could spill this year.” Sanford’s shock is warranted. In October of 2016, Lake Berryessa was just half full.

In the name of Water Conservation, what is missing here?

Flood plains.
An area of undeveloped land where flood water might be channeled to be absorbed by the earth.
Hopefully helping ground water levels.
Instead, it is similar to the Los Angeles River that conducts the flood waters down a concrete river bed to the ocean.
The champion State of Recycling should do so with fresh water overloads too.


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The Liberals in control of the state have spent our tax dollars trying to keep up with over bloated pensions of state workers. Then spent billions on a bullet train to no where instead of adding infrastructure to captire the fresh water when we have a wet winter. Where I live I don't need to water the plants much so I use about 4 cubic feet over the average 2 month billing period. If I look at the bill it shows I pay about $3.80 in water charges and my total bill is over $26.00 with all the associated fees. I think if they did capture the water they wouldn't be able to charge all the "conservation plan" fees and such.

 

The spillway was declared a disaster waiting to happen under "The Arnold" and the rest is history.
The GOP would rather cut taxes for those that don't need no tax cuts than upgrade infrastructure.
True?


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California's high taxes and burdensome regulations have driven business and people out of the state, which has one of, if not THE, poorest credit rating in the nation.

Higher taxes will not fix their problems.

 

Liberals are the ones who issued warnings the dam was a problem; in particular, The Sierra Club.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/13/us/oroville-dam-warnings-ignored/

10:1 odds say they were treated like a bunch of "*******s".

...because beer-guzzling Billy-Bob knew better. He became an expert on Dams, on the internet.

 

Oh Please Arnold was no conservative. Every budget cut that was opposed by the all Democrat controlled legislature, rather than fight Arnold folded like a piece of origami.

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See the above.....

 

Are you even aware that Lake Berryessa is only about 10 miles from the San Francisco Bay? Where are they going to store any more water?

You keep going on and on about this "waste", but where are they going to store any more water? All of the reservoirs are already at their capacity or above (as we saw in Oroville a few weeks ago), and we still have a record snowfall that will be melting in a few months. Tell us where we are going to store any more?

And do not even bother about "flood plains", those are full also. I drove over the Sacramento Delta today, and it looks like a giant lake. In most months it is full of rice paddies as far as the eye can see. With gates to let water in and out as needed. Today it is under 6-10 feet of water, only the tops of the highest trees even visible.

In fact, areas of Sacramento that have not flooded in decades have been evacuated due to flooding and oversaturation of the delta. And the delta is a several hundred square mile flood plain as you are talking about. And it is like that pretty much from Chico to San Francisco.

North of Sacramento most of those lands have been used for orchards for the last several decades. At this time they are rushing to try and get rid of the water sitting 3-6+ feet before it kills their trees. Driving along the 99 and 70 today I saw huge areas of orchards under water

So where are they going to magically store this water?

 

Pipe it down to the south eastern part of the State for flood plain dispersal.

I do not speak of water storage but, planned flooding. Flood plains.
In the hopes of aiding the water table.

 

The big problem is that California does not have a water problem at all.

It has a population problem.

In 1964 (the year I was born), California had a population of 18.5 million.

And the number of dams and rain has not appreciably changed in the last 52 years. It has been a semi-arid climate for thousands of years.

But today, it has a population of around 39 million people and growing. That is over double the population in just over half a century. That is simply unsustainable growth when dealing with a finite resource.

They simply can no longer spread out the limited supply of water among an increasing population. Cut the population back to even 1970 levels (20 million) and we will have more than enough for everybody.

And when was the last time that the GOP controlled California? 40 years? 50 years?

Point in fact, during almost all of Arnold's term as Governor, the Democrats had in fact a super majority in the state legislature. In other words, they could have passed any damned thing they wanted, even overriding the Governor's veto if that is what they wanted to do.

And for the past 2 terms we have had Governor Moonbeam (again), a Democrat so Socialist and Liberal that he is about even with Senator Sanders. And what have they done about the dam? Not a damned thing in over 6 years.

So at exactly what point is it no longer the former governor's problem, and the problem of the current occupant of the chair?

BTW, the 2013 inspection of the spillway showed multiple cracks, and Arnold had already been out of office for over 2 years by then.

Myself, I think that the state should hand over all control of the dam to the Army Corps of Engineers. With multiple dams owned by the state in distress this year, it is more than obvious that they can not handle this.

What does being an environmentalist have to do with being either Liberal or Conservative?

There are a great many environmental groups that are recognized as being Conservative in nature (although most of those self identify as "conservationists" more than "environmentalists").

However, at least one of the major groups involved in those claims is rather radical. South Yuba River Citizens League is known for endorsing such actions as removing dams to restore the salmon, and encouraging cultivation of marijuana along the water ways among other things (like removing levies and restoring the "natural flood plains" in much of the NE Central Valley.

 

I say put down the pipe.

They already pipe over 85% of the Oroville Water to LA. And the aqueduct is already running at maximum capacity (which it pretty much does non-stop).

How about giving some real solution, instead of just vomiting things that make no sense?

And BTW, the SE part? Like, the Mojave Desert?

Yea, great idea. Flood the Mojave again, like the Salton Sea. Destroy the ecosystem in that region even more than they already have over the last century or so.

How many endangered species will that end up killing?

 

The Sierra club has always been tagged as another liberal sore for Republicans. They in particular warned about the spillway.

And yes, Conservatives don't have the balls to admit it when they actually support environmentalism, so they talk about "conservationism" to avoid offending fellow Republicans.

Liberals have always been the fierce protectors of the environment. Republicans usually just get in the way and block efforts to keep our air and water clean.

Note Trump putting a man in charge of the EPA who argued it should be eliminated.

 

And the calamity became a political will,
favoring a failing leader who could not even stop a drizzle of rain.
OMG.
Where are the federal taxes that California paid?
it's not yours, it should work for us.

 

The last time the Republicans controlled either California house in the legislature was 1995 the Republicans had a 41 to 39 seat advantage in the Assembly and lasted until 1997. Before that we have to go back to 1969 to 1971 when the Republicans controlled the Senate 21 to 19 and 41 to 39 in the Assembly. We have you go back to 1959 to find it again.

 

Do you know for a fact the aqueduct moving water from north to south is operating at full capacity?
Last I heard it was reduced for the Delta Smelt.

What is wrong with the Salton Sea? And it could use some more water.

I'd rather flood the desert for water to seep into the ground water than plate the desert with mirrors, frying any birds that happen to fly into the "beam of heat" as a Green means to generate electricity.


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Yes, it is. SoCal needs all the water it can get for it's huge population. I drove over it last weekend, and it was full. In fact, I can not remember when it has not been full in the last 25+ years.

Really? "What is wrong with the Salton Sea"? Are you serious?

The Salton Sea is one of the largest ecological disasters in the history of the United States. The water is polluted and so saline that almost nothing can live in it.

Think about it. The Mojave Desert is mostly below sea level. That means that any water running into it has no outlet. And water naturally picks up salt (this is even worse because the soil in the Mojave is the bottom of a dead ocean and is highly salty). That is what turned the Salton Sea into the wasteland that it is today. Every year the water gained more and more salt until the result was the death of almost the entire ecosystem of the area, including millions of birds.

And you are proposing to make a Salton Sea multiplied many times over. This shows that you are doing absolutely no research at all into what you are saying, and are not even thinking about what you are saying. You are just spouting things off.

And the Salton Sea is not unique in the world, the Dead Sea and Great Salt Lake are similar lakes. The only thing that makes the Salton Sea different is that it was man made and not natural.

And the water will not soak into the ground. Remember, the desert is the remains of an ancient ocean. And right below the ground are huge salt deposits. Salt is a natural water barrier, and water will not sink through it. That is what made the Salton Sea in the first place. Water flowing into the "sea" and not sinking into the ground. It just pooled on top of it.

I suggest you do some research into the Salton Sea. Study it's history, it's geology, and it's effect on the ecosystem. Just my prompting you to look at the Salton Sea should have been a clue that you should have done at least a little research so you would have understood the reference.

If you do not want to bother reading, there are some good documentaries on YouTube about it. If you have the History Channel, there was a good background on it in the series "Life After People", that is a free on demand show.

Or you can watch it here. Just fast forward to the 23 minute mark:

[video=youtube;BMPJH777Skc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMPJH777Skc[/video]