Can the GOP Adapt to Progress?

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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    What if the GOP scoffed at progress, abandoned token efforts to win over Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, and better-educated younger Americans, went with its remaining strength - SWOBs (Southern White Old Boys) - and attempted to promote racial solidarity elsewhere?

     
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    Rush Limbaugh cares more about his niche than his party.
     
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    Across the ideological and demographic divide, Americans look to entertainment to flavour their politics.

    51% of Limbaugh fans are age 50 or older; 27% are 65 or older - and 40% of Bill O'Reilly's are 65 or older.

    In sharp contrast, 80% of Steven Colbert's audience is under age 50, 43% is 18-29, and 39% of Jon Stewart's is 18-29. (Limbaugh and O'Reilly's percentages of 18-29s are 14% and 12% respectively.)

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    It's hard to say who provides more laughs.

    A paucity of young white Republicans further contributes to the Party's alienation from the American People, and they seem concerned about the cantankerous irascibility and hardening of the arteries of the SWOBs.

     
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    The GOP won't adapt until they have a third embarrassing loss. Maybe a fourth.
     
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    If the GOP "adapts" they have lost any reason for support.

    "Democracy is like an old ugly streetwalker who must drop her
    drawers faster and faster for less and less."

    America needs a Populist Movement. And White leaders who will "play the race card."
     
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    In the end...it's about MONEY.

    The Big Donors...won't let that happen. As we see with the RNC's push for immigration reform, the Big Wigs in the GOP want the Party to survive...primarily so it can push tax cuts and deregulation and things helpful to corporations.

    If that means telling the Pat Buchanan/Tom Tancredo/Steve King wing of the Party to go to hell...they will. If they had polling that showed the GOP could win more votes by going pro-choice than remaining pro-life, they'd drop anti-abortion crowd faster than they'd drop the Nativist crowd.

    The GOP WILL survive. Just not as the Party we know today.
     
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    "niche"...or "riches". LOL

    But you're right....Rush would see the GOP go down in flames, if it meant his ratings getting better. Remember, he was flailing around from 2003 to 2006, when the Repubs had the House, Senate, and Dubya...playing "defense"....and there were no Democrats to blame for why the GOP wasn't bringing Paradise to America.

    Rush cares about Rush...not even his audience.
     
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    I don't see it that way.

    The bat(*)(*)(*)(*) crazy self destructive right wingers own the party.

    They will run over the adapters like a Diamond T Dump Truck with a 7 yard load of wet cement runs over an aluminum beer can.
     
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    Give me names.
     
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    Michele Bachmann
    Louie Gohmert
    Steve King
    Ted Cruz
    Mike Lee

    Those took me 3 seconds off the top of my head.
     
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    Only Bachman is crazy and she is out of office.
     
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    This appears to be little more than warmed-over Hegelianism: i.e. the fundamental belief that society must (inevitably and irreversibly) move leftward; if not in one fell swoop, well then, incrementally, at least (as with the whole thesis/antithesis/synthesis thing)...
     
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    Actually it's looking at the clown show that is the conservative movement in the US, and making the big leap of faith, that smart people will do better than stupid people, in the long run.
     
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    The GOP is the party INITIATING progress.
     
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    comming?


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    What a load of crap. Bush won the college educated vote twice. Obama only won it because he won just about every category after the 2008 crash. Even Romney, despite being the weak candidate he was, managed to swing college voters back towards the GOP again. Democrats clean house in low educated voters and people with post graduate education while Republicans win the some college and college graduates with bachelors. Since most college educated people don't have PhDs or Masters that means that most people with college educations vote Republican normally.
     
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    Simply NO

    They are against progress, technology, the internet, and mass communication. Anything that allows the voting public to think for itself is bad for the GOP.
     
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    No, you may not like how they vote, but that is an accurate listing of the best and worst educated states measured by the percentage of the population with college and advanced degrees.

    Looking ahead, a more significant demographic that academic achievement, of course, is age. Whilst it is true that a higher percentage of younger Americans are earning degrees than did their elders, those 18-24 voted for the President 60% to 36% over Willard, and those 25-29 60% to 38%. The 30-39 segment also favored the President 55% to 42%.

    On the other hand, the 40-49s narrowly tipped toward Willard 50% to 48%, the 50-64 folks 52% to 47%, and those 65 and over, Willard's strength, went for him 56% to 44%.

    Whites heavily favoured Willard whilst Black Americans, Asian Americans, Hispanics Americans, and "Others" went Democratic.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2012-exit-poll

    As we look forward, even if you wish to play down the educational angle in how states allocate their electoral votes, you are left with old, White, southern, evangelical males as the GOP's solid base. Growing ethnic diversity, increasing urban concentration, and the more tolerant disposition of the better-educated young bode well for America.
     
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    You clearly know nothing about statistics at all. http://blogs.berkeley.edu/2012/11/13/the-verdict-on-class-and-voting/

    "As I noted in my contribution to the blog Made in America, in January, race and education complicate the class voting story. Among whites, Democrats get the votes of Americans at both ends of the educational spectrum; Republicans get the votes from the educational middle. High school dropouts and people with advanced degrees vote Democrat; those with some college or a college degree vote Republican."

    There are far more people with standard college degrees than their are with advanced degrees. Democrats get the vast majority of the uneducated vote and the advanced degrees which is a very tiny number of people. The Republican get the majority of some college and bachelor degrees. That means the more educated people with college degrees vote Republican.

    Only 12 % of the population over 25 have Masters, Doctorates or other professional degrees, 31% have bachelor degrees and 57% have associates or some college. Bush won both of those twice and Romney even managed to win the Bachelor degree vote despite his poor showing. Romney also won incomes over $50,000 and $100,000 same as Bush A little fact about life that you as a liberal might be completely unaware of, usually stupid people don't go on to make lots of money in their lives.

    http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/results/president/exit-polls

    Once again, Democrats get most of the undereducated vote and most of the advanced degrees. Do the math and you come up with more people with college educations voting for Republicans than you do for Democrats.

    Sometimes I can't tell if you really just don't get simply math like this or if you are being willfully ignorant or just a political hack.
     
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    You clearly get upset when you don't like a straightforward, indisputable, striking depiction of the pattern of voting:

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    The top ten states in academic attainment voted for the President. Nine of the ten worst voted for Romney.

    Spin as you will, you cannot escape that reality.
     
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    You keep posting it by state. Why are you not showing the breakdown of voters in each state? Clearly you are hiding something. I posted the actual voter breakdown by age, race, sex and education level among other things. My data shows that more educated people vote Republican. Once again why do you keep insisting on lying and posting just the state results instead of the actual voter results. You would be laughed out of any high school statistics class much less a college level class.


    Romney won the college vote and Obama only one the advanced degrees at 55% .....hardly a massive win. http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/results/president/exit-polls Bush won the college educated vote twice as well. Democrats clean up in the uneducated vote.
     
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    You got to understand. The top 10 states academically were in the top 10 for a long time, since back when they run by Republicans. They are going stagnating now, but in the South, where Democrats have run the school system for more then a century they are pretty bad and union controlled too. Now the South is catching up with the stagnant North, but we have the very stubborn Democrat black belt in the South. Outside of that, in Republican districts, we are sending our high school grads to college in higher numbers then the north. Republican parts of MI send more high school grads as a percentage to college then any other state. Yet it is ranked 2nd to last in your poll,, because of that massive blue portion of their state that has been run by Democrats since time immemorial. Going by school board district, which makes more sense with education, you find that Democrats run all the worst school districts, and achieve far lower scores on testing then their republican counterparts.
     
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    You are the guys who want more government regulation of that and are fighting to keep government propaganda TV on the air funded by taxpayers though right? Got any specific examples, or are you just hitting up the taking points? If not, please be specific and show what they are against in these areas.
     
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    We were examining the results of the last presidential election, and electoral votes are allocated based upon the popular vote of each state.

    I did. The results of all top ten states in education broke down into more folks voting Democratic. The breakdown of nine of the ten least-educated state showed a Republican preference. The intellectual culture that results from the academic dimension of each state is a definite factor.



    If you wish to examine the matter further, here is a direct comparison of two states at the extremes. Of course cause and effect can be debated: Do they strongly favour one party because of their educational level, earnings power, quality of life, etc., or does their party preference result in those disparities?

    Obviously the educational attainments of a state's populace has implications.

    One statistic that might surprise you: Mississippi has a higher percentage of registered Democrats than does Massachusetts. (Most residents of the Bay State are independents, although they vote overwhelmingly Democratic.

    Mississippi

    2012 Presidential Election: Republican
    Governor: Republican
    Upper House Majority: Republican 30-22
    Lower House Majority: Republican 64-58
    Senior U.S. Senator: Republican
    Junior U.S. Senator: Republican
    U.S. House Delegation: Republican 3-1
    Demographics: Republican 47-38

    Just 81.1% of adults in Mississippi are high school graduates, tied with Texas and California for the lowest percentage in the nation. Additionally, 6.6% of adults have not completed the ninth grade — especially troubling in a state with a poverty rate of 32.5% for those without a high school diploma. Although the median earnings for an adult with no education past high school is just $24,060 — one of the lowest figures in the nation — more than 80% of adults do not have a bachelor’s degree, while more than 70% have not completed an associate’s degree.

    http://www.foxbusiness.com/personal-finance/2012/10/15/americas-best-and-worst-educated-states/



    Massachusetts

    2012 Presidential Election: Democratic
    Governor: Democratic
    Upper House Majority: Democratic 36-4
    Lower House Majority: Democratic 131-29
    Senior U.S. Senator: Democratic
    Junior U.S. Senator: Democratic
    U.S. House Delegation: Democratic 9-0
    Demographics: Democratic 37-11

    In Massachusetts, 39.1% of adults have at least a bachelor’s degree, more than 10 percentage points above the national rate of 28.5%. Additionally, 16.8% of adults have a graduate or professional degree, again the highest percentage in the nation. Although the median annual earnings of $53,765 for those with a bachelor’s degree is very high, adults with either a graduate or a professional degree earn far more. Their median earnings exceed $70,000. Academic success is not limited to adults, as nearly 97% of individuals between the ages of 16 and 19 are either enrolled in high school or have graduated — one of the country’s highest rates.

    http://www.foxbusiness.com/personal-finance/2012/10/15/americas-best-and-worst-educated-states/



    For each dollar paid in federal taxes, Massachusetts gets back $0.83

    For each dollar paid in federal taxes, Mississippi gets back $2.73



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    Your biases aside, Mississippi's recent progress in higher education will eventually bear fruit: higher income, better health, more stable families, and a shift in political orientation.

    Here's to the State of Mississippi!
     

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