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Capitalism destroying the Internet.

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by 61falcon, Dec 13, 2019.

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  1. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    Helps if you browse in a private browser.....
     
    perdidochas, Dec 17, 2019
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  2. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Does it? I use a couple of add-ons to block a bunch of stuff. I'm not sure what a private browser would change. But my main point is that the internet is not too bad overall, at least with such add-ons. It does get pretty bad without them, though, with the sheer volume of ads and pop-ups, and all of the privacy-invading tracking that goes on.
     
    Durandal, Dec 17, 2019
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  3. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    Content that someone else owns.
    Why do you think you should be able to access it for free?
     
    TOG 6, Dec 17, 2019
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  4. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    Well, if the site allows say 5 free articles a month, running it on a private browser allows you to read a month's worth of free articles. Close the browser and open it again, and you get another month of free articles. I used to do that with my local paper, until they ran a cheap online subscription deal (I think $1 a month).
     
    perdidochas, Dec 17, 2019
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  5. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    how so? by not allowing ISP's to slow them down

    if I buy 100 down from my ISP, I should be able to download at that speed regardless who I am downloading from if the site supports that speed

    as ISP's offer competing products, that is when the issues start
     
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    FreshAir, Dec 17, 2019
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  6. MolonLabe2009

    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    And?
     
    MolonLabe2009, Dec 17, 2019
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  7. 61falcon

    61falcon Well-Known Member

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    It is particularly annoying when you go to a site like the HILL and click on one of their headlines only to have it be from a pay site that has a popup demand for payment to read.
     
    61falcon, Dec 17, 2019
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  8. TOG 6

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    Content that someone else owns.
    Why do you think you should be able to access it for free?
     
    TOG 6, Dec 17, 2019
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  9. Robert E Allen

    Robert E Allen Banned

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    Without capitalism there never would have been a computer let alone the internet.

    You owe everything you are and have to capitalism.
     
    Robert E Allen, Dec 17, 2019
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    no one can guaranty speeds... it all dependent upon location of the server you're trying to access and every freagin connection between it & you, the weather, l'est we forget about the krazy electrons wanting to do their own thing ...

    remember this, many of those servers are in somebody's basement and they have full access to everything you type... no such thing as internet privacy, never has been, never will be
     
    Blaster3, Dec 17, 2019
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  11. roorooroo

    roorooroo Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That same question needs to be posed to 150 million American citizens and 75% of all our politicians. The entitlement mentality has gone off the deep end as exhibited in this thread.

    Oh, I do want to thank the OP for starting the thread, it reminded me that I haven't made my donation to PF in awhile so I just got that done.
     
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    roorooroo, Dec 17, 2019
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    These people will give the same answer as the person I asked.
     
    TOG 6, Dec 17, 2019
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    roorooroo Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Agreed. It is a sad place that we have arrived at....
     
    roorooroo, Dec 17, 2019
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  14. FreshAir

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    no one is asking them too, you create a strawman and attack it

    I do not expect a persons server in a basement to get 100 down, that is why I added "if the site supports that speed", cause I knew that lame argument would be used if I did not

    what I am saying is I do not want my speed artificially slowed down below what I paid for because the isp is in competition with the other web site

    yes, many isp's do Deep packet inspection and dns hijacking, sad but true
     
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    FreshAir, Dec 17, 2019
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  15. 61falcon

    61falcon Well-Known Member

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    Speed of access is not a problem to me it is the constant demands to pay for access that annoys the hell out of me.
     
    61falcon, Dec 17, 2019
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    There's no such thing as a free lunch...
     
    Badaboom, Dec 17, 2019
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    I remember looking at the internet 15-20 years ago and there were sites that had to pay to view their content.
     
    Polydectes, Dec 17, 2019
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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    Not letting it be free as in Hands-On that's anti-capitalism
     
    Polydectes, Dec 17, 2019
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  19. 61falcon

    61falcon Well-Known Member

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    This problem did not exist just a few years ago, and it has got progressively worse in the past couple of years, to the point that now every information source is now looking for payment.
     
    61falcon, Dec 17, 2019
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  20. Lil Mike

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    On second anniversary of net neutrality repeal, don’t forget how the Left cried wolf

    Today marks two years since the Federal Communication Commission's historic vote to roll back the Obama-era internet regulations misleadingly known as “net neutrality.” As we hit this anniversary, it’s important to remember the apocalyptic predictions Democratic politicians and special interest groups made — and how their warnings never came to fruition...


    I thought millions were going to die without net neutrality?
     
    Lil Mike, Dec 17, 2019
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  21. 61falcon

    61falcon Well-Known Member

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    No deaths but the internet has gone to hell.
     
    61falcon, Dec 17, 2019
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    you missed the point... the sites themselves don't boast speeds because it's beyond their control, the isp's give 'ballpark' speeds with the caveat 'not at all times, depending on the number of users online and where the destination servers are... it is never guarantied...

    you'll be throttled when/if there are too many users of the same isp are online simultaneously, also a specific site's server(s) might not be capable of handling millions of users visiting it simultaneously... these are two completely different things, one having nothing to do with the other...

    whine elsewhere
     
    Blaster3, Dec 17, 2019
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  23. Bluesguy

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    The ONCE free internet had nothing either. I only pay for one subscription, the WSJ, for their online but then I paid for the print version before that.

    Oh and I DONATE HERE and I see you don't so you can thank me for helping to fund it it so you can enjoy it.

    And I bet you run an ad blocker too and just expect free stuff.
     
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  24. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Did you whine about having to pay for cable TV?
     
    Bluesguy, Dec 17, 2019
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  25. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Which they are 100% entitled to do so seeing how it's their content that YOU want to access.

    The internet as a source of information is a convenience it's not a right. You are more than welcome to watch the free local news or purchase a newspaper or magazine if you want access to information and don't want to pay the internet fees for it.

    What you want is a service provided to you for free simply because you don't want to/don't think you should have to pay for it.

    That's not how the world works. It would be a different story if ALL sources of information to the public were locked behind paywalls. That is not the case, many of the convenient sites that you want to access from the comfort of your home or phone are locked behind a paywall. "Convenience" usually costs money, that's how this works in every other aspect of society and this is no different.
     
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