CCW to the rescue myth

That's why I posted it in the opinion section of this forum. The opinions of the writer are buttressed by some solid statistics and facts.

What this real news shows is more problems resulting from gun proliferation.

 

Most mass shootings are not in designated gun free zones.

 

Gun deaths down 30%

The media Prestitutes are mainly to blame for the lack of accurate reporting.

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Can't think of any high profile ones that weren't.

 

I don't understand the first question. Unless you are supposing that CCW somehow causes mass shooters to go away by magic the number is pretty obviously none. Or are you saying that since there is no way to measure the number then we must accept any number you pull from your nether regions without any sort of backup?

As to the second I'm more concerned about preventing other citizens from having the gun to kill me than I am about defending myself from those who try to. I might be the first victim, I might miss, my gun might misfire, etc, etc, but I can't be killed by a gun that isn't there, can I? IMO CCW carriers are all potential psychopaths like the rest of us, as likely as any individual who thinks he must go about armed with deadly force to suddenly snap and decide to do his part to eradicate all the degenerate liberals he sees about him every day. I don't want to be there when he does, and even more I don't want him to be armed to do so in any case.

 

WWII troops wouldn't have a prayer against today's military. Weapons progression would make the conflict a pathetic joke.

 

The profligate waste of the lives of military men and women is an inevitable result of the switch to an all volunteer army. As long as the children of the upper class are safe there really is no deterrent to going to war.

 

So, do cops fall under this potential snap? Shouldn't you also demand cops disarm? Couldn't secret service snap and kill a president? The fact is the vast majority are stable and have the right to self defense. I hate to break it to you that we live in an imperfect world. There is not and never will be a utopia, get over it.

 

Real people defending themselves with firearms. Your opinion piece writer would have us be sniveling cowards in the face of an attacker. He's free to snivel and cower in the face of an attacker, but I prefer to send 'em home in a zipper bag.

 

What is preventing anyone who doesn't have a CCW from illegally bringing a gun into an area today? There are already pretty strict laws against murder, so if people are willing to commit one of the highest crimes possible why would they care if they're breaking a lesser law? I mean that is what is happening right now with EVERY illegal shooting. In every case they had a history of mental illness or violence, or were terrorists.

Why would anyone that wanted to kill other people bother getting a CCW? That makes no sense at all.

When CCW program began expanding nationwide the argument was that blood would run in the streets, and that never materialized despite MILLIONS of CCW holders.

You have no basis for your opinion other than your fear and imagination.

 

I have defended my life with deadly consequences twice. I then had to spend tens of thousands of dollars defending my self-defense in court.
Acquitted X 2

 

You're going to keep a database of events that did not take place? I suggest you're going to need quite the memory upgrade.

 

Is the OP, (which claims that "CCWs are more likely, by far, to carry out a mass shooting than stop one.") a joke? How do you falsify this statement? How can you compare quantifiable data with events that were prevented from taking place?

 

The article compares justifiable homicide rates. Is homicide the only way to stop or dissuade such an event?

I can't think of many events that didn't happen either. You can't record a mass shooting event that didn't happen because it didn't happen.

 

I didn't pull any number from any location. The OP claims that CCW cause more attacks than they prevent. How can such a statement be validated? The OP obviously must assume some number that is lower than the number of attacks that are caused, yet there's no way to qualify such a number. Thus the statement is garbage.

So your attempt at self defense is to use law to attempt to ensure everyone else is weaker than you. Is that fair?

 

Then you have outsourced your security to someone else whom you can trust to keep you safe. That is your right. However, for you to transpose your own perceived security onto everyone else, is unjustified. Nor are you justified in your ridicule of those who choose to take their own security into their own hands.

We live in a society who values liberty over security, and so the occasional violence is inevitable, everywhere. However, this violence tends to be concentrated in some areas, and dispersed in others. I'm glad you live in an area of low violence such that you can confidently outsource your own security to the excellent 911 operators. Not everyone has that luxury, and so you cannot presume to decide for them that they must also depend on others for their safety as you have for yours.

 

Oooh. Macho man bats bullets and knives away with his fists. What doe's a 90 lb woman use to face an opponent?

 

But violent crime rises dramatically when there are no guns. No one is forcing you to buy a gun. No one cares if you have one or not.

ISLAMIC INVASION PULLS TRIGGER: EUROPE NOW SCRAMBLES FOR GUNS
Many 'now wish they had a 2nd Amendment'

Austrians are arming themselves at record rates in an effort to defend their households against feared attacks from Muslim invaders.
A Czech TV report confirms that long guns – shotguns and rifles – have been flying off the shelves in Austria, and Austrians who haven’t already purchased a gun may not have a chance to get one for some time. They’re all sold out.

And those arming themselves are primarily women.

He claims the stock has been sold out for the last three weeks and that demand is being fueled by fears generated by social changes.

“People want to protect themselves,” Mayer said. “Nonetheless, the most common purchasers of arms are primarily Austrian women.”

Alan Gottlieb, executive vice president of the Second Amendment Foundation, said he recently returned from a gun rights event in Europe, where he sensed a change in attitude toward firearms.

“I just returned from a gun rights meeting in Belgium, and I can attest that all over Europe people now want the means to defend themselves,” Gottlieb told WND. “Self-defense is no longer a dirty word. In countries like Austria, where it is still legal to own a firearm, gun sales are at record levels. I can tell you first-hand that people in Europe now wish they had a Second Amendment.”

More potential new customers are entering the market than ever before, according to the Czech report.


Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2015/10/islamic-...opeans-scramble-for-guns/#qtfuLMV6elkuJZui.99

 

The same thing I and everyone else uses, common sense and avoidance. I don't walk down dark alleyways with 20 dollar bills hanging ouf of my pockets and neither does anyone else. The problem with mass shootings is that they're completely unavoidable

 

You have no statistics. The writer claims that mass shooters were concealed carrying gunmen, confusing the weak minded into thinking that the mass shooters had CCW permits, which none of them had. Of course they concealed their weapons. They couldn't just sashay down the street with weapons exposed, but none of them had a CCW permit and most of the guns were obtained illegally.

 

Ahh, the old 'women who are raped were asking for it' meme. You should be proud.

 

This is the dumbest post yet. You're saying that every woman that ever got beaten and some beaten to death, or raped brought it upon themselves. Absolutely ridiculous.

 

Why do you get you news from World net Daily? The piece is so ingeniously written that the guy should be prosecuted.

The original article talk about people being afraid of the changes to their society. Not violent Muslims. And the article mentions that the buyers "include" women. You write "primarily" (I guess as a dog whistle to the Muslims are Raping everyone in Europe).
This is despicable reporting and you should remove that (*)(*)(*)(*).

Here is the original article for all to see.

http://www.tt.com/home/10581135-91/privater-waffenkauf-explodiert-in-tirol.csp

Just despicable.

 

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But violent crime rises dramatically when there are no guns. No one is forcing you to buy a gun. No one cares if you have one or not.

ISLAMIC INVASION PULLS TRIGGER: EUROPE NOW SCRAMBLES FOR GUNS
Many 'now wish they had a 2nd Amendment'

Austrians are arming themselves at record rates in an effort to defend their households against feared attacks from Muslim invaders.
A Czech TV report confirms that long guns – shotguns and rifles – have been flying off the shelves in Austria, and Austrians who haven’t already purchased a gun may not have a chance to get one for some time. They’re all sold out.

And those arming themselves are primarily women.

He claims the stock has been sold out for the last three weeks and that demand is being fueled by fears generated by social changes.

“People want to protect themselves,” Mayer said. “Nonetheless, the most common purchasers of arms are primarily Austrian women.”

Alan Gottlieb, executive vice president of the Second Amendment Foundation, said he recently returned from a gun rights event in Europe, where he sensed a change in attitude toward firearms.

“I just returned from a gun rights meeting in Belgium, and I can attest that all over Europe people now want the means to defend themselves,” Gottlieb told WND. “Self-defense is no longer a dirty word. In countries like Austria, where it is still legal to own a firearm, gun sales are at record levels. I can tell you first-hand that people in Europe now wish they had a Second Amendment.”

More potential new customers are entering the market than ever before, according to the Czech report.


Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2015/10/islamic-i...MV6elkuJZui.99

You people always complain about the source when the content gets your panties in a bunch.

 

You can live as a sheep, wolf or sheepdog. Can tell by the postings who the sheep are.

 

I'm not talking about rape but violence of any kind, and just pointing out the main reason why I and most people have never had any use for a gun in our lives. I do have to be careful in my comings and goings though, unlike in Singapore, Tokyo or Seoul where I could, and often did, walk about drunk anywhere at any hour. Those places have strict gun control and the difference is immediate, you feel safe there. In just about any American city you must be very circumspect, even sober and in broad daylight.