Central High School promposal goes viral, some classmates call it racist

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  1. Yulee

    Yulee Well-Known Member

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    It’s all irrelevant now.

    “In a statement provided to NBC News, Crowley's parents said their son will not attend any future "school activities or functions, including the Prom or graduation." The statement says the decision was made after several conversations as a family and additional discussions with Riverview High School administrators.”
     
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    I don't think it's "irrelevant" for people to clearly understand what limits the First Amendment places on governments, including school's attempts to regulate off-campus speech. Far from it, I think it's basically a necessity to be good citizens in our republic.
     
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    So what specifically makes "soul food" racist to mention yet not curry, Asian food, Mexican food (except beans) and alcohol (had to give the Irish a shout-out) or hamburgers?

    I think the answer is simply the reaction.
     
  4. Kal'Stang

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    It does when it comes to government systems.

    It can be argued that companies like Twitter are so large that they are essentially a "town square" and therefore should fall under the same or partial restrictions as government. But what shouldn't be an argument is a government system punishing someone for their speech that was placed in a non-government platform is a violation of the 1st Amendment. That this thread has gone on for 6 pages with some advocating that the school should punish this kid is a testament to how out of control Identitarianism has gone.
     
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    it was aired about a school event, then can be banned from that event
     
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    they have a duty to protect other students and keep them safe from racists or pedophiles
     
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    How was this sign putting any student at risk? I agree with you somewhat. I think that the school should bear some responsibilty to make sure that students get home from school OK. What they say to anyone about anything isn't the schools responsibility unless it puts someone in danger. That was not the case here. If they are going to take responsibility for any student that gets their feelings hurt at any time, then they are signing up for a big job. That's pretty much what high school is; students getting their feelings hurt or hurting someone else's.
     
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    Not by the government run school. By parents sure. But not by the government.
     
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    That would be a violation of the First Amendment. "about a school event" affords the speech even more First Amendment protection than if it was not "about a school event". That's how badly you screwed up this post and the First Amendment jurisprudence.
     
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    Even racists and pedophiles have 1st Amendment protections against the government. There is nothing dangerous in what was said by that kid. No threats were issued.
     
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    If you scratch a typical Progressive, you will find a fascist not far underneath.
     
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    it was promoting racism
     
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    And you're promoting Fahrenheit 451
     
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    Do you seriously not understand that the government cannot punish someone for saying something that vaguely, in your view, "was promoting racism"? That's free speech in America. It is protected by the First Amendment. Do you not get that?
     
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    they can deny racist or pedophiles into school dances
     
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    No, they can't. That's what the First Amendment prohibits. Where do you get your stupid ideas from? Who ever told you that they could prohibit a student from entering a school dance for their off-campus speech that some snowflake thinks is "promoting racism"? How did you develop that thought? Did you read it somewhere? Was it just a hope and a wish that your fevered mind imagines is now true even though it's not?
     
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    sure it can, the right can't force a public school to admit racists and pedophiles into a school dance
     
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    WRONG!
    "the right" is not forcing them to. The First Amendment is.
     
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    sure

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    Pedophiles yes, if they're convicted. And that is because the law states that they are not supposed to come with in a certain amount of feet/yards of a school. (around here its 100 yards iirc).

    However no, they cannot deny a racist from going to school dances. No matter how much you wish otherwise.
     
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    sure they can, they can deny someone into our schools that is promoting racism
     
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    You can keep saying it, but all you are accomplishing is showing everyone how ignorant of the First Amendment you are. You're just as wrong now as the first time you said it. The First Amendment prohibits public schools from banning students from school events for their non-threatening off-campus speech, no matter how many snowflakes it offends.
     
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    This shouldn't be needed to be said twice. But for you I think it is necessary.

    It is not the Right that is forcing them to allow racists into the dance. It's the First Amendment. The 1st Amendment does not protect approved speech. It protects unapproved speech.
     
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    I disagree, if a pedophile puts a sign on Facebook, the school can deny them
     
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    A student could literally march down main street with the KKK (on a Saturday), holding a blatantly racist sign about how stupid black people are, and the school would still not be allowed to ban him from school or school events.
     

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