Cheney Wrong then, wrong now

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    I'm not speaking in hindsight. The Abwehr knew and Chamberlain knew that France wasn't going to war. Britain would be in the war alone and the Czechs had no power to stop Germany from conquering them. Britain would then be in a war in which they had inferior aircraft, a useless navy, and an army with no way to be brought to bear.
     
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    Because the controlled right wing media white washed his treasonous lies.
     
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    I will not trash the topic here ... no power to stop Germany is not really correct. At least they had no real chance, correct, but an easy task or even "Blitzkrieg" it would have been not for Germany. Think about, only as example, that Germany at this time only very few Panzer III and IV, but the Czechs had 2 good tank types which were one of the back bones of German attack later on France - called Panzer 35(t) and 38(t). Rommel's 7. Tank Division in France was for example mostly equipped with the Panzer 38(t).
     
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    Clinton made a similar deal with N. Korea. I don't know how you blame Bush for that one.
     
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    ... Republican Prescott Bush ...
     
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    Brokered by Carter.
     
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    ... Bush's friend Abdul Qadeer Khan ...
     
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    lol.... what a freakn joke.

    [video=youtube;x7OCgMPX2mE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7OCgMPX2mE[/video]
     
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    Which wouldn't matter. Germany was going to hit the Czechs with a massive infantry force backed by artillery and anti-tank guns. Czecheslovakia is not exactly known for its prime tank maneuvering ground. They might have held out for a few weeks, but their days were numbered.
     
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    none dare call it TREASON
     
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    The British Expeditionary Force (BEF) was the British Army in Europe from 1939 to 1940 during the Second World War. Commanded by General Lord Gort, the BEF constituted one-tenth of the defending Allied force.

    The British Expeditionary Force was established in 1938 in readiness for a perceived threat of war after Germany annexed Austria in March 1938 and the claims on the Sudetenland, which led to the invasion of Czechoslovakia in March 1939. After the French and British government had promised to defend Poland, the German invasion of that country began and war was declared on 3 September 1939.

    The BEF was sent to France in September 1939 and deployed mainly along the Belgian–French border during the so-called Phoney War leading up to May 1940. The BEF did not commence hostilities until the invasion of France on 10 May 1940. After the commencement of battle, they were driven back through Belgium and north-western France, forcing their eventual evacuation from several ports along the French northern coastline in Operations Dynamo, Ariel and Cycle. The most notable evacuation was from the Dunkirk region and from this the phrase Dunkirk Spirit was coined.

    The british had no clue what was coming, and neither did the french. They actually believed they were germanys equal, at the time. see below


    The Maginot Line (French: Ligne Maginot, IPA: [liɲ maʒino]), named after the French Minister of War André Maginot, was a line of concrete fortifications, obstacles, and weapons installations that France constructed just before the border with Switzerland and the borders with Germany and Luxembourg during the 1930s. The line did not extend through to the English Channel because the French military did not want to compromise Belgium's neutrality. The line was a response to France's experience in World War I and was constructed during the run-up to World War II, shortly after the Locarno Conference that gave rise to a fanciful and optimistic "Locarno spirit".

    The French established the fortification to provide time for their army to mobilize in the event of attack, allowing French forces to move into Belgium for a decisive confrontation with Germany. The success of static, defensive combat in World War I was a key influence on French thinking. French military experts extolled the Maginot Line as a work of genius, believing it would prevent any further invasions from the east.

    While the Maginot Line was impervious to most forms of attack (including aerial bombings and tank fire), and had state-of-the-art living conditions for garrisoned troops, air conditioning,[1] comfortable eating areas and underground railways, it was strategically ineffective. Although it prevented a direct attack, the Germans invaded through Belgium, going around the Maginot Line. The German army came through the Ardennes forest and the Low Countries, completely sweeping by the line, causing the French army to surrender and conquering France in about six weeks.[2]
     
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    Only by pure dumb luck did "9/11" not happen when the trade center was bombed on Clinton's watch in 1993. Had Eyad Ismoil only positioned the bomb a little better, they'd have toppled the tower, with everyone inside down onto the adjacent buildings killing, perhaps, 20,000 or more. Clinton "allowed" that one to happen, didn't he?
     
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    So how does the BEF get to Germany or help the Czechs when France is not part of the war? Do they teleport to Prague?
     
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    more freakn garbage. That mission accomplished banner was there for the ships return to port ceremony, after they spend some 16 months at sea on an emergency extended war patrol. Its why Bush flew out to the ship to greet them, and to say thank you, for the crews dedication to duty at a time when America was under attack.

    Left handed liars simply told lies about the banners meaning. Some still spread the lies, because they wouldnt know the truth if it slapped them in the face.....
     
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    ...because most understand what the word "treason" means. It's pretty easy to fit the nuclear deal with our enemy, Iran, into the correct definition though.
     
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    This comparison, iran with hitler's Germany is so silly that it just has to come from the dysfunctional right wing brain. Enough already PLEASE.
     
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    Thats not the point I was making. England and France thought they were Germanys equal.

    No, they couldnt stop Germany from carving up Czechoslovakia, but they didnt have to make some stupid deal with hitler either, and claim peace in our time.... etc....

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    No one is claiming that.

    Its all about chamberlines claim that some piece of paper will stop anyone
     
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    how so, Iran has made no threat against the USA

    on the contrary it was the Republican under Eisenhower who invaded Iran and stole billions of dollars worth of resources

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    please forgive these delusional right wingers as they have SEVERE limitations and lack the rationality to see the difference
     
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    They thought they were Germany's equal (and arguably were) in 1939. In 1938, France has a Leftwing government, a crashing economy, is suffering rampant general strikes that are crippling its industry, and has an active civil war on its southern border that threatens to cross it at any time.

    France in 1938 is not going to war with Germany. And Germany and Britain knew it.
     
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    France had no manpower.. So many Frenchmen were killed during WW1 and between the wars the birthrate was FLAT.

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    When did Eisenhower invade Iran? I know the US and the UK were involved in the 1953 coup (Operation Ajax), but I don't recall an invasion and I was in Iran in 1953.

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    When did Eisenhower invade Iran? I know the US and the UK were involved in the 1953 coup (Operation Ajax), but I don't recall an invasion and I was in Iran in 1953.
     
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    Germany wasnt exactly in great shape after WW I either....
     
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    Germany began ramping up for war in 1933.........
     
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    Not to mention, their losses as a proportion of their population were way lower than France.
     
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    So was france

    The Maginot Line (French: Ligne Maginot, IPA: [liɲ maʒino]), named after the French Minister of War André Maginot, was a line of concrete fortifications, obstacles, and weapons installations that France constructed just before the border with Switzerland and the borders with Germany and Luxembourg during the 1930s. The line did not extend through to the English Channel because the French military did not want to compromise Belgium's neutrality. The line was a response to France's experience in World War I and was constructed during the run-up to World War II, shortly after the Locarno Conference that gave rise to a fanciful and optimistic "Locarno spirit".

    The French established the fortification to provide time for their army to mobilize in the event of attack, allowing French forces to move into Belgium for a decisive confrontation with Germany. The success of static, defensive combat in World War I was a key influence on French thinking. French military experts extolled the Maginot Line as a work of genius, believing it would prevent any further invasions from the east.

    While the Maginot Line was impervious to most forms of attack (including aerial bombings and tank fire), and had state-of-the-art living conditions for garrisoned troops, air conditioning,[1] comfortable eating areas and underground railways, it was strategically ineffective. Although it prevented a direct attack, the Germans invaded through Belgium, going around the Maginot Line. The German army came through the Ardennes forest and the Low Countries, completely sweeping by the line, causing the French army to surrender and conquering France in about six weeks.[2]
     

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