Chevy Volt explodes 3 weeks after crash test

Do you pay tax to the government on your petrol purchases? How free are you not to? Market forces outside Obama's control dictate what the price of oil will be. It's a free market, remember?

 

Good point. The electric car is very old technology. I don't see it coming back.

 

In the short term yes.

But Obama has resisted drill baby drill and over time that means less oil and higher prices for consumers.

Nor is he making it easier for Americans to buy gasoline powered cars by giving them taxpayer money.

 

The points being made on this thread are exactly like the campaign launched by buggy and harness manufacturers when the car made its debut.

They had excellent points: the car was unsafe, it was hard to start [hand crank start in those days], had bone-jarring lack of suspension, had stopping difficulties; any one of which would be a scathing disqualifier these days. Particularly on this thread.

And yet the car stayed.

The same will be true of the electric car. "Peak" oil means that company knows it's name is indicative of the future. From a "peak", the only way to go is downhill.

Yes, the electric car is here to stay. It will be awhile before old stinking fossil fuel cars go the way of the horse and buggy, just like today some people still use the horse and buggy to get around. But, you know..

 

That was a free market debate where the consumers were free to choose.

The government was not paying American citizens to buy the cars and actively trying to put the buggy makers out of business because some idiot bureaucrat wanted them to disappear.

 

Well, there wasn't a crisis of hay supply for horses that threatened to destroy the American economy and global climate like there is with dependence on foreign oil and CO2 emissions. There's a lot more people and the stakes are much higher.

Different times call for different solutions. I also find it interesting when carbon and nuclear proponents line up with their fingers outstreched for the taxpayer [government] to step in and subsidize their otherwise unsustainable overheads, and then turn around and cry foul about the government getting involved in subsidizing the early stages of getting the electric car off the ground.

 

You mean a phony trumped up hay shortage?

But according to libs cows and horses fart too much and put excess CO2 into the atmosphere.

So even without cars modern libs might consider shooting all the hoses anyway and just make everyone walk to work.

We are in no danger of running out of fossil fuels and no informed lib really thinks we are.

If anything they worry that the world will not run out of oil fast enough.

 

Perhaps.

But let free people in a free market make that decision not idiot government bureaucrats who are too incompetent to make it in the private sector.

 

There have been two chevy volts at our local chevy dealer. they have been there since around when the summer started, i dont even think anyone came to buy one. its pathetic.

 

True, most people prefer the Prius and foreign-made electric hybrids. Eventually if BigOil gets out of the way, our industry will be able to compete on the world market with other electric cars. Poor old fashioned US will be the one idiot on the block who still drives the old fashioned pure-gasoline combustoin engines..lol.. like the global dorks in 20 years..

Idiots nearly destroyed the Gulf last year with an oil rig explosion. Idiots have wiped out a chunk of Japan forever by building nuclear plants on one of the world's most active earthquake island chains. Idiots continue to peddle oil, coal and natural gas, even as their hometowns heat up to an unheard of 120 degrees, and the ocean keeps getting closer and closer and closer to the boardwalks in seaside towns..

Apparently stupidity isn't reserved just for those in the government. To the private sector complaining on this thread about the competition they know is here to stay, "stupid" = "people who care about the future of the country, and regulate them thusly".

 

The oil spill in the Gulf was not nearly bad enough to destroy the Gulf if not for Obama and the idiot government bureaucrats who screwed up the response.

The world is not going to stop drilling for oil just because you don't like it.

In fact there was a much larger oil spill in the Gulf ten years ago by the Mexicans.

You don't think you can ban them from drilling do you?

The private sector does involve some risk but it also offers rewards that dimwitted government bureaucrats can never give us trying to manage the private economy from Washington.

 

I'm going to take your statement and alter a few of the words. It's fun to do.

 

Classic left-wing hyperbole.

Can't address the facts can you.

As long as we have fossil fuel to power them maybe and fools to buy them if they are running on battery power.

 

its a beginning there is not enough competition yet to work out the problems with electric hybrids cars etc..

people are still trying to make the american and middle eastern oil companies rich maybe more wars for oil will change their minds

 

Are you really ignorant of the fact that the electric car was invented BEFORE fuel powered cars? It is OLDER than the cars that run on gas or diesel.

It's BEEN off the ground for over 150 years.

Bio-fuels is the future, we will micro-organisms to produce diesel. But we have plenty of gas and oil underground for the long time being.

 

Where did you get that phony idea? I live in the heart of the spill area we were NEVER nearly destroyed and this summer has been a record summer in tourism and seafood harvest.

 

Do you still think I don't like electric cars after I've told you repeatedly that I object to Obama and the government interfering in the private marketplace to promote electric cars by showering them with taxpayer money.

If modern science and engineering ever comes up with an electric car that meets the public's needs you won't have to beat people over the head or bribe them to buy it.

They'll do it because they want to.

The free market.

What an alien concept to Obama and the freaked out environmentalists who think government central planning has all the answers.

 

Freekin politics!!!!! It seems to infect everything - like a plague. Personally, I would love to see battery technology be able to provide an alternative motive power for automobiles and screw all the associated political crap!

Besides, I don't view technological achievement (or a failure to achieve) as either some lame political point of justification, or an equally lame "I told you so". I'd prefer to focus on the potential for more efficiently getting from one place to another - perhaps a difficult concept for the politically hypnotized to grasp.

 

Exactly. I don't hate gas engines. Nor do I want them to go away any time soon. We will always have a need for the type of low end torque a diesel engine, for example, provides to move heavy loads reliably.

I just accept the fact that refined-gas engines for commuting are a dying breed and will be replaced soon by other methods of locomotion. Getting from point A to B.

That's all that matters. That's all that should matter. If it takes taxpayer funds to kick start a new industry that will get us around by burning less fuels, then great. It's more than worth it. This taxpayer approves. Far better to spend my/Our money there than on subsidizing nuclear steam plants. We are losing our butts on that corporate welfare check. Funny how the same folks who scream about helping get electric car industry going with taxpayer funds are often the same ones holding their grubby paws out for dirty energy subsidies.

Never fails to amaze me..

 

Another cracked thread by the know-nothings.

The headline,

"Chevy Volt explodes 3 weeks after crash test"

is simply a lie.

 

is it really?

 

I don't think you or anyone else could possibly know all the variables involved with our transportation needs or be able to compute them in your head to come up with a statement like that.

As for dirty energy subsidies I don't get any.

But I'm willing to give them up for the small land owners that they go to if that's what it takes to get rid of the (*)(*)(*)(*)ed bureaucrats in Washington to are trying to force electric cars down our throats with subsidies.

Let the free market decide.

 

When monopolies rule the "free" market, that's when a statement like "let the free market decide" takes on a very insidious edge...

No, I think that BigOil is a little too big for its britchen. Electric cars were repossessed, stacked up and smashed when they once again tried to make a debut in 2000. People were even arrested when they tried to keep those cars that they PAID FOR IN FULL...that they owned! How "free" does that market sound to you? Having the police come and take away your private property, without a civil suit to determine that even. Sounds more like the SS than a "free market" manuever..

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Backroom "Agreements" with California officials that remain secret to this day? The recall being reportedly about malfunction when in fact it was about fine print in a document public officials drew up with BigOil/Auto manufacturers? Forced siezures of vehicles from very satisfied customers?

Wow, nothing like the "free" market.

Yeah, I think the electric cars are needing a little "witness protection" until they can get off the ground. BigOil and AAM can thank itself for mandating government help for the electric car. They made the playing field unbalanced in the "free" market.

Monopolies suck.

 

And mythical monopolies that exist only in the minds of some people suck even more.

You make all these wild claims for the EV-1 and then tell us that GM abandoned it out of friendship to the oil companies?

Give me a break.

If GM could have built and sold electric cars they would have done so.

But it was not ready for production.

If there had been a market for the car GM would not have passed it up.

Why should they?

 

Electricity does that better, that's why trains are diesel electric.

With bio-fuels and natural gas, gasoline in the meantime.

No it's not, the industry should do it on it's when it is financially sustainable.

If it were the market would already be producing them and profiting from them without government subsidies.

What bracket are you in?

How do you plan on powering your electric car without nuclear or fossil?