Chilean presidential candidate calls Israel ‘a threat to world peace’

I appreciate your lengthy, thorough & mainly civil response.

- Yes, I do know what a $Trillion is as Israel has cost the US several $Trillion (1)

RE:

Without addressing my "intellect level" or my honesty, you're right, the US is not obliged to support Israel more generously than any other country in the world but does so to prevent it from resorting to nuclear options as you admit: "...use all its abilities". When coupled with the bellicose nuclear threats of so many Israeli politicians, that fits the definition of nuclear blackmail.

RE:

Israel doesn't nuke Gaza or Lebanon for the same reason I don't burn down my house to get rid of the mice. The same nearby radioactive fallout would infect Israelis in nearby Settlements and you're not building "all over the WB" simply because you can't afford to build more rapidly just as you don't force Europe to recognize Jerusalem as your capital because it's not worth a nuclear exchange, ergo, my logic is not failed.

Israel may not be the only country with nukes, but it is the only capable country* whose leaders have made clear and repeated threats to "...bring the world down with us"



(1) “The Real Cost of US Support for Israel: $3 Trillion”

http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Soc/soc.culture.palestine/2005-08/msg00005.html

EXCERPT “While it is commonly reported that Israel officially receives some $3

billion every year in the form of economic aid from the U.S. government,

this figure is just the tip of the iceberg. There are many billions of

dollars more in hidden costs and economic losses lurking beneath the

surface. A recently published economic analysis has concluded that U.S.

support for the state of Israel has cost American taxpayers nearly $3

trillion ($3 million millions) in 2002 dollars. “CONTINUED


* NK doesn't have nuclear armed Dolphin subs around the world or ICBMs equal to Israel's

 

No it doesnt..., your link below doesnt provide any info on that either, it just says so...

mmm no...., we fought many wars till now and never used it, we sat down taking Iraqi scuds because the US told us to while supplying us with Patriots - that was the deal, nothing would have happened to the world if Israel would have sent a few missles of its own to hit Iraq, and using all our abilities doesnt mean Nukes, you talk like nations use it every other Monday, that's crazy.

There are many kinds of Nukes, its more complicated than in your Xbox, we can destroy Lebanon in one afternoon without hearing any booms, we can use other bombs if we have the world by the balls cant we ? we can use gas ? or Naplam ?
We cant afford building more rapidly ? what are you talking about ? we would have reached Jordan river in 20 years if that was so, kindly take a breath and think before you post.

Really, which Israeli leader thretened the WORLD with nukes ?

We we see this recently published economic analysis ?

 

1. RE: The cost of supporting Israel to the US was estimated at $3 Trillion in 2002 by economist Thomas R. Stauffer(1). By now, 15 years later, who knows how much Israel has cost the US



2. RE:

In addition to giving Israel Patriot missiles, the US also altered its strategy in Iraq to focus on taking out the Scud missile bases as a priority.
AND:
- Allowed Israel to designate 100 targets inside Iraq for the coalition to destroy,
- Satellite downlink to increase warning time on the SCUD attacks (present and future),
- Technical parity with Saudi jet fighters in perpetuity
That's the leverage your nuclear blackmail accomplished

3. RE:

Don't be so condescending, I know that there are many types of nukes, even suitcase nukes. What you're attempting to describe, re: Lebanon is the use of a neutron bomb which are a staple in Israel's nuclear arsenal but would pollute the Litani River valley from which Israel steals water. Gas, in addition to being illegal is too unpredictable and Israel already uses D.I.M.E. bombs, phosphorus, D.U., N.D.U.
For localized engagements, Israel is so far content with the disproportionate use of mainly conventional weaponry along with D.I.M.E. bombs, phosphorus, D.U., N.D.U. all paid for by funds extorted from the US
Why would Israel attempt to take the Jordan when it can barely control pitiful, little Gaza.

Face facts, the only way Israel has gotten away with countless UN violations, its repeated murderous forays into Lebanon, its attack on Iraq's nuclear reactor, repeated attacks on Syria, maintenance of the world's oldest, most brutal, foreign funded Occupation has been via nuclear blackmail.

(1) "Cost of Israel to the US"

http://www.councilforthenationalinterest.org/new/?page_id=2

EXCERPT "A report by an economist commissioned by the Army War College in 2002 to analyze the situation in full found that the total cost to Americans over Israel’s 60+ years has been $3 trillion."CONTINUED

 

I forgot to address this last question in my previous post. There are varied Israeli leaders / politicians whose threats are cited in my previous source however among the more noteworthy is:


SAMSON OPTION
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option
EXCERPT "General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under."CONTINUED



In order to extract yearly $ Billions from the US:
Amos Rubin, economic adviser to Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir, said

“If left to its own Israel will have no choice but to fall back on a riskier defense which will endanger itself and the world at large… To enable Israel to abstain from dependence on nuclear arms calls for $2 to 3 billion per year in U.S. aid.”(1)



"Israel’s Nuclear Arsenal and Weapons of Mass Destruction: A Threat to World Peace"
https://www.globalresearch.ca/israe...threat-to-peace-israel-s-nuclear-arsenal/4365

 

Ah the old -You do not understand so you can not judge- trick to avoid proving me wrong. How about you go prove Israel acknowledges Palestine as a state like you claimed or else just let the big people discuss this?

 

So you do not have to have your own national currency in order to fit the definition of being a country.

 

They probably are all donating millions to them.
/facepalm

 

So, first Arabs **** Palestinians, then donate millions to them?

/facepalm

 

With what? That they refuse to accept and absorb Palestinians who Jews ethnic cleansed,... and so be complicit with their ethnic cleansing. Seems obvious enough they refuse to help out Israel.

 

Jordanians along murdered ten thousand Palestinians in just several weeks, and rightly so. Would you like to know why?

 

Well, Gilos.Guru,philosopher,and a damn handsome member of the Human race - challenges Thomas R. Stauffer estimations brought here by Grau, so kindly supply a working link.

Its all the same thing, it was the US that demanded Israel will not reply to Iraqi attacks, supplying us with def (which includes attacking the Scuds and sattellite downlink) is a natural part of the deal, we are not b!tches to sit down in quit because we are told to, its not blackmail its an agreemnet requested by the US not Israel. dont forget to count the internet usage of all the mails sent on account of Isreal......

You confuse me, Israel is supposed to be the one country on Earth that has many many Nukes and dare to threat the entire world it will nuke them unless they play along with it - but! - it cannot destroy pitiful little Gaza - althou its "content with the disproportionate use of mainly conventional weaponry along with D.I.M.E. bombs, phosphorus, D.U., N.D.U. all paid for by funds extorted from the US" - so we have the conventional ability, the will, the world fears us, and its free of charge! - so why dont we just Naplam the place ? the first to whisper a word on it gets a nuke.
Explain it to me please.

And a discreet nuclear blackmail at that.....that is the whole world leaders are being thretened but none speaks of it, Kim from N. Korea is not so discreet and Im not under the impression he gets what he wants.

Stauffer had calculated everything from oil to rain that would have served America should Israel not exist, its stupid because we all can estimate a calculation on our savings (estimate because no one knows for fact a course of alternative reality) if other countries did not exist or disasters or some global events, things happen in our world and we need to deal with them, Stauffer made a fantasy report which is why it was rejected.
Here is criticism to his reports
http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/110036/defense-us-aid-israel-david-meir-levi

 

"Mad dog" is not a threat to world Israel will nuke them, Mad dog means we will tear apart those that attack us and we did, Arab countries that did are not "the world" - Moshe Dayan was indeed an Israeli leader.

Martin van Creveld said the other part about being capable to Nuke European capitals, but he is a University proffesor and a sex offender being kicked by two Univesties for bothering female students, he is not an Israeli leader just another whak proffessor, I guess kind like that Stauffer fellow, seems like you draw yourself to the "damaged" sorts of humanity....

Now your Amos Rubin qoute, there's no threat there, its like in the Iraqi example, if Israel is "left to its own" means without any allies and under gun embargo or sanctions - it will have to relay on nukes (lets say) in case its enemies unite and charge it, and that would take such war to a whole new level that would endanger the whole world because no one wants to deal with a post nuke ME including Israel, you dropped the rest of his qoute and jumped to his estimation on the costs of conventunal weapons that would obselelte the need for Nukes if such scenario as our enemies ganging up would happen,
There is no threat and no extortion, the US does not need to assist Israel or Egypt or Lebanon or any country in the world, it does because it has its own agenda to the world.

 

No I didnt say that and Im not tricking you, you keep this debate as shallow as you can so we cant possibly discuss politics and what each party in the Gov and out (it hangs on a thread to become a minority Gov, that much you should know) thinks about a Palestinian solution. I said that Israelis do consider the Palestinians to be a diffrent nation. you are not "big ppl".......

 

I have not seen one person actually saying Israel is not a threat to world peace, lots of "it is because" but no one appears to actually argue that Israel is not a threat to world peace.

 

That hurts my feelings, let's ask Dutch if he met a person that didnt think Iran or Hamas or Hizbi/Lebanon are a threat to world peace. so I will be able to eat again

 

Whatever, got any rebuttal to the suggestion that Israel is a threat to world peace. Other than pointing at others!

 

My friend,

Israel is a peacekeeper, and a World peace enabler, and this does not have to be argued.

 

Its a claim without basis, a general "I hate you", what do you want me to say about that ? OK so you hate us....

 

Sadly, half the World think Hamas and Hezbollah are a freedom fighters and as such, their murdering of Israeli elderly, women and children are justified, while Israel defending itself deserves all that is coming to it. Whatever. I happens to like strong, powerful Israel that nobody likes better than weak, defenseless Israel that everyone adores

 

The whole purpose of our state is to be free and indipendant from other nations "opinions" on our fate, I remember when they liked us in the 90's during the peace process while buses exploded here every day, if building the fence means security and hate - ill take the hate. it only hurts when we touch it really

 

Looking forward to visit Israel again sometime in late Spring... Jaffa fish restaurants are awesome!!

 

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To Israel's most handsome guru:

The following link does work as of today:

“The Real Cost Of US Support For Israel, $3Trillion”

https://nwoobserver.wordpress.com/2011/02/21/the-real-cost-of-us-support-for-israel-3-trillion/

EXCERPT” While it is commonly reported that Israel officially receives some $3 billion every year in the form of economic aid from the U.S. government, this figure is just the tip of the iceberg.”CONTINUED

I think that there are several reasons that Israel does not Napalm Gaza:

1. The environment impact on nearby Settlements would be horrific
2. Support, recruitment & aid for Hezbollah would grow exponentially
3. No other Israeli leader would be able to invoke the holocaust
4. But primarily, I think that there are enough decent people in Israel that oppose such a measure that no leader would survive taking such a drastic measure

Briefly put, Gaza is too nearby to use any form of WMD including Napalm without adversely affecting Israeli air, water, & ground itself.

Israel gets enough of what it wants via its influential Lobbies & really wants for nothing

I'm afraid you're exaggerating. Stauffer accurately calculated the hidden costs of Israel to the US by factoring in forgiven "loans", interest lost to the US for immediate payments in full vs monthly payments to other countries & countless other details unmentioned in & "rejected" by pro Israel MSM.

 

The degree to which Israel is a threat to world peace is really not a point of debate.

While you claim that Dayan's "mad dog" threat was meaningless & van Creveld is a sex offender is no comfort to those who know Israel's history of ruthlessness whose leaders have been unstable mass murderers & terrorists. Sharon, Shamir, Begin and others whom Israelis have elected to the highest offices would have been hung in a just world.

Serious threats can be veiled or implied and still be serious threats when made by nuclear powers with a history of aggression.

Israel has a history of attacking its neighbors with impunity (Syria, Lebanon, Iraq) only because its victims know of Israel's extensive nuclear & Bio/Chem arsenal.
Don't you think that Iraq would have struck back after Israel bombed its nuclear reactor if it had not been for Israel's nukes?
The same goes with Israel's repeated attacks on Syria.

Israel has enough conventional weaponry to deter an attack from its neighbors.
Why, then has the Israeli government equipped nuclear armed Dolphin subs & deployed them around the world if not to threaten other nations or aid in the extraction of US $ Billions

 

Why, what good are conventional weapons to a country 9 miles wide (without Judea and Samaria), surrounded by sworn enemies on all sides?

Hypocrisy much?