China Could Overtake US by 2028

Most "less fortunate" Americans are in that position because of their own actions ---- usually laziness or bad life choices or a combination of both. What you call "helping them" many people see as enabling them. Worse, it is enabling them on the backs of the rest of us who've worked hard and made responsible choices.

 

Protectionism was the basis of US trade policy from the founding up until the 20th century and it seems to have worked quite well.

My argument is that we should have never allowed normalization of trade between the US and China, but now that we have, we need to unwind that and create trade barriers between the US and China.

But you think that's fine, Americans should research each and every product they buy.

 

Thank you - you've given voice to the 'swaths' I mentioned. I'll leave this here for you to ponder:

There was a farmer who grew great quality corn.
Every year he won the award for best corn grown.
One year a journalist interviewed him and learned something interesting about how he grew him.
The journalist discovered that the farmer shared the seeds of his corn with his neighbors.
- ′′ How can you afford to share your best corn seeds with your neighbors, when every year they compete with your corn?"_ the reporter asked.
- ′′ Why, sir "_ said the farmer _" doesn't he know? The wind collects pollen from maturing corn and turns it from field to field. If my neighbors grow lower corn, cross pollination will constantly degrade the quality of my corn. If I want to grow good corn, I need to help my neighbors grow good corn."
So it is with our lives.
Who wants to live well and meaningfully must contribute to enriching other people's lives, because the value of a life is measured according to the lives they touch.
And those who choose to be happy must help others find happiness, because everyone's wellbeing is bound to everyone's wellbeing.
Call it power of the community. Call it a successful principle. Call it the law of life.
The thing is none of us really win until we all win!
(Eirik Duke)

 

Yeah I've heard this before. Those who complain about helping others are first in line when it comes to handouts. "Where's my government check?" Do you plan on cashing your stimulus check?

 

What a ridiculous statement.

The U.S. has free trade agreements with dozens of countries.

The absence of tariffs has been the bedrock of republican ideology for 80 years.

It is only since Trump that the GOP has (reluctantly) endorsed trade wars and protectionism.

Trade between two nations the size of China and the US cannot be prevented.

Capitalism always ends up triumphing over barriers because that is what the consumer wants.

If China is doing such good business in the US, it's because the Americans have become less competitive in some areas over the last 20 years.

And despite Trump's trade wars and the imposition of dozens of tariffs against China, the U.S. has failed to narrow the gap in trade.

It has even widened.

 

Cute story. Completely irrelevant, but cute.

 

Oh, I thought you were a retired school teacher.

Nevertheless, good friends of mine in the retail computer construction and service business (yes, there really is such a thing still profitably in business... and in both Denver and Colorado Springs!) told me that throughout 2020 they've run into 'constrainment' in the availability of different components for from-scratch builds and repairs. Shipping has evidently been nightmarishly sporadic, which plays total hell with "just in time manufacturing"....

When I was working a LOT with computers up until my retirement, it seemed that nearly everything commonly used in everything from noteobook computers to mid-range servers contained parts that were made by Hon Hai, and distributed in the U. S. under the "Foxconn" name.

Anyway, things look pretty darn ROSY for ol' China these days... and meanwhile the rest of the world seems to totter around in a continuing state of ineffectiveness, distrust, and wretched uncertainty. And the question arises, "What are the Chinese doing right that we are doing wrong...?"

 

Your inability to see relevance only furthers your position in 'the swath'. We are destined to lose our standing in the world due to our own ignorance and careless view of our countrymen. We can blame China or any other nation, but not looking inward is our greatest weakness.

 

The labor market place is most definitely not the same as it was when I was getting out of college in the mid to late 80's. Gone are the days of just working hard, making a living and getting by. The requirements to get a job has increased significantly too.

 

I'm going to give my check to a Family member who lost her job, because I don't need it and been doing quite well during this Pandemic, but why should any of us responsible Americans, especially the White ones want to contribute to any of these programs that support lazy and ungrateful scumbags that Hate us no matter how much charity we give them. I use to give to certain Charities, but they can Kiss my Ass now, because the same people I've helped would not welcome me in their neighborhoods, because of my Skin color, which would make me a target for assault. The only charities I give to now are ones I've checked out that help kids like St Jude Hospital or anything involving abused animals. Contributing to Drug addicts and Criminals is just throwing money down a Black Hole that enables them to continue their awful habits. It will be a Cold day in Hell, before I ever contribute anything to a Racist organazation like Black Lives Matter that HATES! White people.

 

WOW, todays Americans I hear flagellation too is becoming more and more popular among the DNC cult today also

 

And I suspect that we will see another radical change to 'the workplace' once covid has been tamed. I don't see companies spending large dollars on leases for space when the workforce has shown itself to be quite able to work remotely.

 

I agree that's a given !!! The whole notion of an office space has just been revised and is being revamped. It is a work place game changer !!!

 

Getting warm.

 

Clearly you have little to understanding of things work on this level.
Saint ronnie set the stage and it has taken decades for his 'legacy' to bring us to this point.
Of course we have only ourselves to blame for that as well, 40 years of funneling money to the top 1% in hopes it will 'trickle down' and tax cut after tax cut that never worked but we had to keep on trying to placate the far right.
That is our own fault, doing what we KNOW doesn't work in hopes it might.

 

They aren't instantaneous you know, it's kind of like sanctions, it's a long term thing lol.

 

Well many would have to return to work, well if that COVID effected closure restarts.. I think is will be a new dawn with every newly created hypochondriac running for the house at every sign of flu from this time forward.. I see it already on this forum alone.. Chiner has a great number of people pissing down both legs now at any sign of pathogen..

Ya we lost the bio war with CHiner because we were cowards

 

Just this week, two thirty-somethings in my family have moved to more remote places for a few months because they can work from anywhere.

 

Believe me, Mike, the very last thing that the swarms of 'newly-poor' in America are going to do is quibble about where their 'stuff' is made in 2021. Even more than before, they just want it CHEAP, and, now that the Democrats are taking over, they want it FREE, too....

We Americans brought this on ourselves. The Soviet Union fell exactly 29 years ago this month, and that fully enabled Western corporations to go safely 'off-shore' in search of cheap labor and corruptible governments with damn near everything... and they lost no time doing so. You know the rest of that story, and so do I.

The corporations made immense profits, parked the money overseas, and delayed paying U. S. taxes until they could pay enough in bribes to American government officials (elected and otherwise) to get a 'deal' on a 'tax holiday' or some other such corrupted bullshit.

Who's to blame? I suggest that we start with every American president, senator, and representative -- going back to 1992.

 

They make 8 bucks an hour in trumpville, they can't afford to keep America first.

 

Borrow and spend, like drunken sailors.
Irresponsible party.

 

I have a Samoan riding buddy. He's about 6'6" and 275 pounds. Maybe you'd like to complain about skin color to him? My black riding buddy is a full foot shorter. We always kid around with short jokes. Lol. ...they got little cars that go beep beep beep. You could take your case to him, but he's feeding homeless people at his church, like he does every Sunday. But there's several white panhandlers in front of Jackson's. You might find an ear with one of them.

 

Not electing republicans.

 

Stagnant wages and falling wages from the republican policies of the 1980s and 1990s have sent more into poverty.
More would be there also, if the gov't didn't provide programs to help with food and housing.
That was the deal from those trade agreements. Jobs leave, wages stagnate and fall, but gov't help increases.

 

I am not retired nor have I ever been a school teacher.

What we are doing wrong, is our wages are much much higher than China.
We don't want to work 7 days a week for 12 hours a day. Compared to China, we are a lazy country.