China - Forced abortion confirmed

No, that's what birth control is for...

 

It is disgusting that a woman was forced to endure this, but if women continued to have kids, how would China cope?

 

That's ridiculous. Then why don't they just line up all the old people against a wall and kill them off? After all, they eat more than a baby, right? Or what about allowing capitalism and allowing people to produce for themselves instead of the state?

This is a crime against humanity---but then China's never been accused of having any humanity, so it's not surprising they'd do this. Their one-child policy and forced abortion is appalling.

So, where is the UN on this? Where's the "world" on this? Where are harsh words of condemnation from all the bleeding heart liberal countries of the world??? Apparently, they don't give two hoots about that baby or the millions other whose Mothers are forced to abort in that Godless country??

 

The Chinese Govt said it was illegal and so it looks like someone will be prosecuted... Do you think there's been no medical or bureaucratic stuff up occasioning death in other countries..?
The fact that Chinese netizens are so outraged by this is indication enough that it's not a common event...

 

Because old people have an interest in being alive which fetuses and early infants do not. if it came down to the point of not being able to literally provide for everyone who did have self-awareness and consciousness then you would have an entirely different situation requiring different action - something that is irrelevant to this thread.

The government should be doing that regardless. As i say, advocating for capitalism doesnt put bread on the table.

It isnt appalling if it is necessary. This particular action was a horrible crime - but by Chinese standards themselves.

Dont know. Do some research and you'll probably find a lot.

 

The pro-choice movement's wet dream

 

Then you're not much of a libertarian, much more of a statist.

No it would be better for kids to starve - and have a slim chance at life - than murdered in the womb, and have no chance.

 

What do you mean "confirmed" ?
Chinese provincial governments have been doing this for several decades. Anyone who ever doubted this was in denial.

 

That's not even close to a "libertarian" position.

You're defending a thoroughly authoritarian position.

 

i think what he meant is after 2000, force abortion although still occur but is very rare. so any force abortion happen in china, it usually will be on the news afterward. most local government will settle for a hefty fine for the extra child.

 

Pay attention... If Chinese citizens were outraged and compared it to "crimes of the Japanese" then it isn't a common occurrence, no matter what pentagon press outlets tell you...


She was entitled to have more than one child under Chinese law, like all farmers are...

 

The "hefty fine" for extra children is a tax to cover education and healthcare...

 

You're right and in today's China most children receive adequate nutrition. The days of Mao's gigantic famines are long gone. Many kids are fat from overeating at KFC.

 

Evidence for this assertion? Does the CCP provide free healthcare for all children?

 

Forced abortions have been happening in China for some years now - ever since the introduction of the "one child" policy in 1978 - now remember that between 1958 and 1961 there was the "Great Famine" where millions of people died (est 15-43 million)

China has also had a long long history of severe and crippling famines due to periodic overpopulation.

Am I defending the barbarity of forced abortions - no

But I am saying this would never have been accepted, even in a strict communistic country had that country not have had a recent famine.

 

YES... Public education also... If you want a comparison with another country of similar size at same stage of economic development which doesn't provide free healthcare and education then look at Child poverty in India or Pakistan...

 

We hope they are long gone - but China has a deep history - a well recorded deep history of famines.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_famines_in_China

One of the concerns about Climate Change is that it makes famine more possible

 

Chinese couples are often forced to have an abortion. Sometimes economic pressure is used. If government workers have a second child the workers are almost always fired!

Sometimes more brutal methods are used.

quote: The case is only one of many reports of regular forced abortions of women who fall afoul of China’s “One Child Policy,” which allows urban inhabitants to have only one child, and those in some rural areas to have only two. The policy is enforced with a system of penalties that include fines up to six years wages, the destruction of homes and confiscation of cattle, and the coerced killing of unborn children in cases in which parents can’t pay.

LINK

 

the one child policy was essential long term planning, China foresaw famine in the future did it not get population under control, it seemed brutal to but it was essential...late term abortions are the result of over zealous minor officials....

 

Evidence that the CCP provides free healthcare for all children? Let's see your proof!

 

Absurd! For example South Korea has an astonishing low birth rate without any One Child Policy.

Low Birthrate is Biggest Threat to South Korean Economy, Governor Kim Says

 

low/declining birth rate comes with a well educated population, not something China had at the time...and then there is a tipping point to worry about China would've reached that point well before any other method of population control would have taken effect...

 

Though there have been well-educated countries with high birth rates (the U.S. in the 50s and 60s for example) and poorly-educated countries with low birth rates (North Korea for example). Educational institutions may or may not push antinatalist propaganda.

C'mon many countries around the world, some with an educational system even worse than the system in Communist China, have experienced a dramatic drop in their birth rates.

 

I agree but in changing the law they changed the society. A one child family will not care for that child more than they would for seven children but the one child will be the recipient of resources that would otherwise have been spread over seven children. This means the one child will grow to expect more. This in and of itself will and has changed the society.

 

Leave people alone and they can take care of their families.