China warns of 'worst consequences' for any country that supports Taiwan militarily

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  1. ShadowX

    ShadowX Well-Known Member

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    Hrmmmm:

    Ambivalent Right:

    Ambivalent Right are a GOP-leaning group as a whole – 68% identify as or lean Republican – and they make up a substantial share of all Republicans and GOP leaners (18%). But this group also includes a significant number of Democrats: A quarter of Ambivalent Right either identify with or lean toward the Democratic Party, and a similar share (25%) voted for Joe Biden in the 2020 presidential election.

    That sounds about right.
     
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    I actually agree with most of what you said. I think the problem with self identification is that people tend not to self identify which something they consider to be “bad”. For instance using myself as an example. I’m hyper conservative, racist and nationalistic. I would not identify myself as a white supremacist, but there’s a lot of people here who would identify me as such.

    The same is true for most radical leftists. They won’t identify themselves as radicals or communists because they don’t like the label. But if you took the label of radical leftist or commie and created a list of qualifiers for that label, those people who don’t identify as radicals (again because they don’t like the term) will fit perfectly under the qualifiers you created for that label. I would assert that their objection is not based upon the reality of the circumstances but more the reality of their perception. Furthermore I would argue that if they fit perfectly under the qualifiers for said label it’s more likely the label is accurate and not their claims.

    To answer your question about why abortion is enforced as a double standard... so first of all let me say my reasons for saying abortion is acceptable would be GROSSLY different than yours lol. However in regards to the double standard issue...

    If a pregnant woman goes and has an abortion it’s not murder. In fact it’s perfectly fine legally. However, if that EXACT same woman is on the way to the abortion clinic and she gets assaulted in a gas station parking lot and loses the baby, she can have the person who assaulted her charged with murder for killing the EXACT same baby that she was going to kill an hour later with absolutely zero consequences.

    Either it is a life and both the assaulter and the woman having the abortion should be charged with murder. Or it’s not a life in which case neither the assaulter nor the woman having the abortion should be charged with murder but you CANNOT logically have it both ways. As it stands now we determine whether something is a life, not based upon science but SOLELY on the whim of the mother.

    And that’s wrong. It is NOT her decision whether that is a life or not. Either it is a life or it is not. What the woman thinks or wants in the moment is COMPLETELY irrelevant.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are correct .. this is an anathema in law .. a complete contradiction .. equal justice/rule of law out the window. Shows what a discombobulated mess our Justice system is. Is a Political Kangaroo show .. similar to what one might find in some third world puppet regime or dictatorship ..
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sure..... 68% are Republican and 25 Dem.....it pretty much defines right leaning independents.

    Any other questions?

    Yes. Definitely a pseudo-conservative, populist authoritarian. Loyal to political figures rather than principles.

    Why would you want to be considered something you are not?

    More interestingly, - why are you so hell bent on trying to tell others they are something they are not?
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, it's a tax on consumer. It is government interference in free market economy which almost always back-fires.
     
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    Did you just ask me that after you stated I’m a pseudo conservative?

    Great example. I think I’m a conservative. You think I’m a pseudo conservative. Which is it? Is it what I say it is because I said it? Or is it what you said it is because I fit the qualifications for your definition of pseudo conservative?

    I would NEVER self identify as a pseudo conservative. But you think I am. Why? Because I fit the qualifications of what you consider to be a pseudo conservative regardless of what I self identify as.

    So now you understand why I call you a liberal.
     
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    To be fair my line of what it means to be liberal is probably much further right than most people’s line is lol
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, I don't. You were invited to provide a list of my views which are liberal, but you failed to do so. You just keep saying it is so, because you say it is so. You also asked me which conservative views I defend, and I provided a list of them, and that is not even a full list. I also provided the results to two tests which proved what I say.

    Yes. You are a die hard supporter of political figures (like Trump) and you defend everything they do or say, no matter how detached they are from actual conservative principles. Conservatives stand by their principles, while pseudo-cons follow political figureheads. Furthermore, pseudo-cons are quick to label everyone as "leftist" if they don't agree with your political leaders. I guess that is some kind of emotional defense mechanism.

    I like conservatives, and voted for people like Ron Paul, but they are becoming extinct, and getting replaced by pseudo-cons.
     
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    I’ll be happy to go through your posts but you and I both know what I’m gonna find.

    Regardless your assertion of what I believe is false, trump was wrong to support banning bump stocks, he was wrong when he said to just take their guns and deal with it in court later and trump was wrong when he supported ANY sort of pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants and/or “Dreamers”. He also should not have signed any stimulus or bailout or covid packages. But politically he didn’t have much of a choice on the covid packages. Moreover he panders to the minority community more than I would like but he’s pandering for votes which is what politicians do.

    It just so happens I agree with trump the vast majority of the time (which was surprising to me because for the record I originally supported Ted Cruz in that primary and gave him my vote) however that doesn’t mean I agree with everything.
     
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    Any idea China has had invading Taiwan has been tempered to what has happened in Ukraine. By how much who knows. Right now China has another Covid crisis as it refuses to clean up its filthy wet markets.
     
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    I knew you wouldn't be able to produce any. Ok, then just list those liberal issues which you think make me liberal. Some of my views are liberal and some (most) are conservative, which is why I am independent.

    Your comment about the scale of 200, where people are divided almost evenly between liberal and conservative (with just a little sliver on IND in the middle), reveals that independents don't really exist in your world. Everyone who doesn't agree with your political leaders is labeled liberal, but I showed you that there are more independents than Dems or Repubs:

    31% of Americans are Democrats,
    25% are Republican,
    41% are Independent.

    I know, and to you anyone who didn't support him is "liberal"
     
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    China has been talking about Taiwan for decades. The problem is that China keeps getting stronger and stronger economically and militarily, so there is a chance it could happen in the future. They might be headed to a point where they have to stop currency manipulation which will make their products expensive, and that will hurt their economy
     
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    If you took off the "political blinders" you would see that Putin, not Biden, is the cause for NATO unity Trump, through his own tough love, caused NATO nations to be a little more responsible prior to this Ukrainian conflict. He saw what was coming unlike Biden who only looks forward to his next "Nap in Delaware".
     
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    Yes, the Ukrainian crises caused NATO to spend, and Germany and some others are spending BIG. In 2014 they agreed to hit the 2% goal by 2024 and most members were on track, but this event got most to get there ASAP. Trump running his mouth mostly drew polite smiles and probably laughter behind the curtains, because he didn't seem to understand they had already agreed to hit the goal in 2024. As for Biden, you are correct, - he didn't pay any attention to it in Year-1 (that I know of).
     
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    The term liberal is better now stated as Progressive which greatly entails "Leftist policies". I register as a Republican merely in my state as I wish to have a say in the primary. Actually, I have no allegiance to that party.....but where else would I go? As I see the likes of Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney diminishing in power, I am more and more attracted to the GOP. However, I am independent. Tulsi Gabbard has my attention but I keep a close eye on her domestic agenda that I fear veers left. Wonder how many are in the same boat as I? Your percentages are accurate for registration purposes I believe, but I think there is some hidden details that don't show.
     
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    The sad thing is that partisan drivel like this is literally the best you can manage. How depressing for you.

    Biden and his people have been working hard behind the scenes to make sure NATO, EU nations & others work together in a full court press on Russia. This is only possible because Biden and his team have worked hard to repair relationships damaged by Trump. There is plenty of credit to go around - Macron, Scholtz, the frontline NATO states & the EU. Biden gets credit too.

    Biden has played a significant and positive role. Trump did not. NATO nations agreed to increase their military spending in 2014 and were doing so before Trump came to power. All he did was weaken the alliance. Even when he was right about something he was too self obsessed & incompetent to have a positive impact.
     
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    I have said before that in 2024 I'd like to see Tulsi & Manchin from Dem side and real conservatives from GOP side, but I can't think of any from GOP side who honestly want to unite the nation, and some, like DeSantis, are openly running on more division.

    I suppose you don't like Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney because they didn't support Trump? Pretty much all Republicans voted for Romney in 2012. I wrote-in Ron Paul.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What you call "Trump running his mouth" only points to the fact he had responsible vision. His personality probably upset you, but sometimes personality has to run roughshod over limp wristed go along to get along politicians. "no more mean tweets" and we see where it got us!
     
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    His "vision" was something NATO had officially agreed upon 3 years before his took office, and they were on track, but if he wants to call it "his vision" then so be it.

    No clue what this means.
     
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    This is how I see it...... Romney and Liz are "establishment Conservative's". They love the military industrial complex. Their goals are the same as establishment Democrats. They are globalists. Their attention is more global than American. Tulsi and Manchin would be interesting but I don't know how efficient they would be in cutting the size of Federal Government power. Romney easily turned over his Presidential candidacy over to the left by the fact he didn't fight and knew Obama and Hillary had the same ultimate goals anyway. They are all in bed together. Cheney is a very bitter loser in she climbs into the same bed.
     
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    What it means is you make clear your convictions regardless of the political wind. Nato might have officially agreed, but in three years absolutely no success. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions!"
     
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    I think you have confused Biden with Trump. Biden has done nothing but signal to our enemies and friends: “Due to global change, America is over”.
     
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    I know you want to believe what you say but Putin gets 100% of the credit for NATO unity. Those of whom you wish to bestow credit, if they were truly worthy, would have taken action BEFORE this Ukrainian thing! Joe and Kamala "working hard" is just a partisan wet dream!
     
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    I just told you they were on track to reaching the goal by 2024 so what do you mean "no success"? Nothing changed when Trump raved against NATO.

    Either way it's becoming a moot point now that Putin got them to reach and exceed that goal.
     
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    Well at least Trump's effort was in the right direction while others were indifferent. Putin gets the credit, I agree.
     

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