Christians, do you believe Yahweh wants us to die?

....Uh....she was given demon status long after Adam ditched her for wanting to have wild sex.

 

There are certain things we must learn and experience before we can go on to a higher plane. This cannot be done in one lifetime. We cannot learn what we must from having only one perspective, that of either male or female. We must experience both. You don't get a Masters degree by completeing kindergarten.

 

God is all powerful and all knowing, every event in the universe, past, present, and future, is the responsibility and plan of god.

The guy when falls down the manhole and dies was predestined to die before he was even born. The man shooting children in a school is the plan of god.

So if god didn't want use to die, why to we die? Any apologetics reduce god as either too stupid or impotent to handle his creation. If god doesn't want us to die, and we die, and god cannot stop it, then god is not all powerful, is not all knowing, and is not by definition, "god". The only argument that confirms god's absolute power makes him malevolent. All of the death and destruction is a part of the masterful plan.

 

Any woman that does not follow her man's commands is possessed by the Devil already.

 

You don't get laid much...do ya'?

 

what is this 'higher plane', please? where is it, what does it consist of, how do we travel there, what is its purpose, and finally, how do you know it's there (wherever there is)?

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well said

 

How do you know its not?

 

The person making the positive claim has the burden of proof. I'm not making a positive OR negative claim, I'm asking for more information.

Meantime, can you prove the world isn't teeming with invisible flying elephants?

 

Omnipotence leaves no room for apologetics.

 

They came up with the idea when peeps were too stupid to consider the implications. Now, it's pretty much a curse, and I'd wager there are intelligent christians who wish it had never been claimed.

 

If karma unresolved, soul is born into a new body; if karma resolved, you attain moksa and end recycling.
No amount of proof would satisfy you and you're apparently too lazy to seek knowledge on your own. I'm not obliged, I don't care how many times you claim it, to prove anything to anyone but myself.

 

No I cannot but you cannot prove that they exist either.

Do you see your dilemma?

 

It isn't her dilemma. I am sure she it fully aware of the problem she presented. It's why she presented it.

 

there is no dilemma, unless you depend upon one or the other being 'true'. more so if you depend upon the positive claim being true, because all the evidence points to it not being true. since I don't depend on either being true, I'm happily dilemna free.

 

why do you call it laziness? I've sought information on this in most corners of the globe, from holy men, holy women, lay people, gurus, old books, etc etc. not once have I found anyone who can tell me anything useful about it. if it truly is something discrete, then someone must know something about it. if no one does, then they can't claim it's something discrete (because they wouldn't know). all you have left is mental masturbation.

 

And what evidence would that be exactly?

I am curious to what you have found that may indicated Heaven does not exist.

This would actually be groundbreaking since no one has ever found this evidence you speak of.

 

Are all christians so desparate that they're reduced to the embarrassing illogic of asking others to prove a negative?

You make a positive claim (heaven exists), you back it up. Otherwise 'lack of evidence to the contrary as evidence of existence' proves everything ever imagined is real.

 

There is that, but they have an answer: "It's called faith".

 

aka: we need to come up with a way to justify belief in something which is not only preposterous, but has no evidence. and we need to indoctrinate that this justification is a virtue.

the oddity is that they think those outside the bubble will regard faith as a virtue. if a group of cultists decides that red should be called blue, their corruption of the idea of blue only applies within the cult. the rest of the world sees red and calls it red.

 

Or further translation: We do not have an answer, stop asking the question.

 

well if they didn't claim to have the answer, we wouldn't keep asking the question

problem is, Christianity never expected questions. after 1700 years of carte blanche and exemption from critical scrutiny, profoundly lazy and arrogant hubris has left them up sh#t creek without a paddle.

 

first I apologize for the Pms ,secondly I wasn't trying to “push” Jehovah on you. Because scriptures speaks for themselves. But you know, it's funny that in your response in PM. you showed appreciations for my explanation and scriptures. Yet in the forum, you act as though you didn't, But I do understand why, trust! And even if people refuse to believe he's real. His name is in the bibles you guys read also. In the bible I read and the bible I USE, (which is what most of the christendom world uses), the kj bible. there's NO... sayings of another woman besides eve. And yes, I've heard of the name... from that of the christendom world. And I don't follow or believe what they say.

SHOW ME from the BIBLE, because I believe in ONLY the word of God! ,then I will have questions. In case someone said “her” name isn't in the bible because “she” retaliate or disobeyed Jehovah, I would say yeah, I know!,come again! Because so did eve, Adam and all those Angels who follow the wicked one. Yet they were MENTIONED many times in the bible. So if you can't prove it's from the bible. Just like Jehovah God means nothing to you. A lie planted in the minds of many by means of others through satan, means NOTHING to me.

also if you read the scriptures, you would have read in your bible. Adam DID actually gave the names ,(Gen. 2:19,20 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him). Scriptures don't, do it? And and you don't have to be humble and apologize, again I understand. peace

 

This ridiculousness is why the Religion forum is the one of the largest wastes of bandwidth on the internet.
Second only to the abortion forum.


Quite a stretch you made.... "people don't live forever... so God must enjoy their deaths".

Anyway, good luck convincing yourselves there's no God.


zzz....

 

We are immortal. What we call death is transitioning between dimensions. So there isn't death, in the sense that consciousness, ceases to be. The quality of consciousness changes depending upon the dimension it inhabits. Human consciousness is the state of consciousness when the brain, which is a transceiver and reducing valve, is in operation.

For consciousness is the Fundamental, not matter. The reason that you cannot destroy energy, but it only transforms, is because that manifested from the fundamental.