Chuck Schumer admits what we already knew all along

As always your three word "arguments" are profoundly convincing....

 

You guys can't be convinced so I don't try.

 

Unless you are going to change the number of LEGAL immigrants to "infinity," the Biden administration will not enforce the law. Biden wants ALL of them to come with no restrictions. Why bother to pass an immigration reform law if there is no border? It's a waste of time and energy.

 

I'm not talking about leaders per se. I would never accuse the average republican to be as depraved as Trump either. I'm talking about regular democrats on average who do vote for democrats and indicate support for immigrants.

For leaders it's always about votes, on both sides. And the democrat base of poor white people concerned about "illegals" taking their jobs has shifted to republicans.

But I'm talking about why the base feels as it does. It's not about votes for them. It's about values and principles, and maybe self-interest.

I don't recall a complete 180, but the position has drifted further left, just not for the reasons you describe.

The Democratic Party's Long Shift To The Left On Immigration : NPR

 

Odd that politicians want to stay in power, amiright? And let’s not kid ourselves…pols from BOTH sides want to stay in power. Denying that would be asinine.

 

When people who are anti-illegal immigration talk about illegal immigration they include ALL illegal aliens. Not just brown people. The only ones that ever bring up skin color are leftists and Democrats. And those that are anti-illegal immigration focus on the southern border because that is where the most visible illegal immigration is happening from. Over 2 million just since Biden took office and just through the southern border. The DHS estimates that there are 500k illegal immigrants in this country that are white. I want them booted just as much as I want the people that are coming through the southern border and are of some different skin color booted.

 

If you tried using actual facts instead of your biased opinions ( typically summed up in one very short sentence of four words or less ) that might go a long way to supporting your " arguments"

 

Here you are doing what the typical Democrat voter and supporter does.... Acting like there is no distinction between illegal and legal immigrants.

It's kind of a slimy tactic where you accuse anyone who thinks that we should control our border and be against illegal immigration with simply being "anti-immigrant".

Just pretend like it doesn't matter that some immigrants respect our laws and go through the system using the proper channels versus those who simply violate our borders or overstay their visas.

Why do Democrats hate those who actually respect our laws and take the time and effort to do things in the legal manner? You see? I can do the same thing.

And the only reason that elected Democrats give a s*** about illegal immigrants is they want them to vote for them.

If they stopped pandering to them and giving them false promises watch how quickly their tune will change

 

That's funny, I actually don't recall taking a position on this thread and have been on the fence about it. I was only indicating that I don't think the average democrat supports immigrants (even illegal ones) for the sole purpose of having more votes for democrats.

Do what? lol.. I think you missed the point of my post entirely. You do bring up some of the nuances of the issue though. We can go all the way from open borders, to treating illegal immigrantion as no big deal, to expanding legal immigration, to the status quo, to restricting immigration. People can have different actual opinions on this rather than it just being about vote counts. That was my point. And the point that not wanting diversity is not necessarily the same as being a racist.

Even if it's only a vote calculus for them, it's not just that. There is also the opinion of their voters who are not immigrants.

 

The bottom line is that they are putting illegal immigrants in front of American citizens.

And even the legal immigrants. Anyone who supports that party also supports that agenda

 

No he's not, and saying he is, is a lie. I would much rather have an honest immigrant than whoever wrote this disingenuous POS

 

The Senate on Thursday passed the most monumental overhaul of U.S. immigration laws in a generation, which would clear the way for millions of undocumented residents to have a chance at citizenship, attract workers from all over the world and devote unprecedented resources for security along the U.S.-Mexico border.

The vote was 68-32. Fourteen Republicans crossed the aisle to vote with all Democrats in favor. Thursday’s vote now puts the onus of immigration reform on the Republican-led House, where leaders have been resistant to the Senate legislation.

“The strong bipartisan vote we took is going to send a message across the country, it’s going to send a message to the other end of the Capitol as well,” said Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), the leader of the so-called Gang of Eight. “The bill has generated a level of support that we believe will be impossible for the House to ignore.

The Gang of Eight bill would essentially revamp every corner of U.S. immigration law, establishing a 13-year pathway to citizenship for millions of undocumented immigrants, with several security benchmarks that have to be met before they can obtain a green card.
https://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/immigration-bill-2013-senate-passes-093530

You can believe the OP's unrealistic implication Schumer does not want to apply any screening mechanisms to potential citizens (including the gang members in the photo), or that his proposal is in keeping with the immigration reform bill guidelines from 2013. The choice is between acting like a gullible rube or someone grounded in reality. It's yours to make.

https://www.americanimmigrationcoun...44-understanding-2013-senate-immigration-bill

 

They don't need to believe me. I am not the one that said it. Chuck Schumer is. and he said ALL OF THEM, he even used the word 11,000,000

 

I've seen others try and fail.

 

Post #3 until race got pulled into this topic. You just weren't quick enough to get the #2 spot?

I suppose that on the left, the only reason we, or any nation, has immigration laws is because of racism because, what other reason could there be?

 

Well the one who bonked Pelosi's husband on the head was an illegal Canadian. It wasn't Republicans who were sanctuary protecting him from deportation.

 

What is wrong with the legal immigration process that it doesn't provide enough diversity for you? Why do you have to select for lawbreakers?

 

I think this is why Rush referred to him as "Chuck U Schumer."

 

lol, unfortunately I’m not that into diversity. One reason I’m on the fence. When I was a libertarian I believed in open borders, but more as an individual rights issue than having more or less diversity

 

Personally I do not think "pathway to citizenship" is the solution to illegal immigration. The most reasonable idea I have heard is through the work permit, not pathway to citizenship. The way this idea works is we make worker's permits more accessible, the main requirement being you pass a criminal background check. If you can establish yourself as a worker who pays their taxes and keeps a clean record, then we can talk about pathway to citizenship. Because yes, our economy is in need of more able bodied workers, our death rate is already higher than our birth rate in the metro areas, and is expected to be above our birth rate nationwide very soon. This is happening while more and more boomers are hitting retirement age. So yes, we absolutely do need more young workers, and we need these workers now, not 18 or 20 years from now

 

Well you brought up diversity...at least twice, when that wasn't the topic and no one had mentioned it.

In my opinion "diversity" has nothing to do with immigration policy, but apparently you feel differently, but it didn't have anything to do with the thread topic either, which is Schumer's call for amnesty, so on that topic, are we putting you down for pro amnesty or no?

 

The choice is between acting like a gullible rube or someone grounded in reality. It's yours to make.

Who is eligible and what are the requirements?

The bill will allow undocumented immigrants to apply for Registered Provisional Immigrant (RPI) status if they have been in the U.S. since December 31, 2011, have not been convicted of a felony or three or more misdemeanors, pay their assessed taxes, pass background checks, and pay application fees and a $1,000 penalty (which may be paid in installments), among other requirements. Applicants must also be admissible under current law, which excludes individuals who have committed certain offenses, participated in terrorist acts, or belong to other excluded categories. Spouses and children of RPIs would also be eligible. RPIs will not be eligible for federal means-tested public benefits such as Medicaid, food stamps, and benefits under the Affordable Care Act, and in general will not receive social security credit for previous unauthorized employment (except in the case of those who received a Social Security number prior to 2004).

 

That is a direct quote, not a paraphrase.

Im not sure what you are trying to claim. Are you saying that they are lying about the direct quote?

 

It comes down to this. Do you believe Schumer is advocating that gang members here illegally be allowed to become citizens? The choice is between acting like a gullible rube or someone grounded in reality. It's yours to make.

 

When I see his quote "Because our ultimate goal is to help the DREAMers but [also] get a path to citizenship for all 11 million or however many undocumented there are here.”

...I do not see where he has carved out an exception where he is excluding them as in "except for gang members".

Do you?

It seems to me that his phraesology of "all 11 million or however many there are", literally means ALL 11 million or however many there are.