Civil War- What Would You Do?

So it is not the oath at all for you.

 

I am not an enlisted man, so I am governed by a different code.

 

I will fight against secessionists and traitors, regardless of who lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Anyone who says otherwise is putting party and ideology above country.

I will qualify that and say I'm not in the military. But if Texas were stupid enough to make the attempt, I would consider myself behind enemy lines..

 

Glad to know you will shoot on sight Anti-fa if Congress declares war on them. Duly noted.

 

Sure he does. That hardly means he is duty bound to enforce something fraudulently passed off as federal law.

The American Revolution was justifiable under the principles enunciated in the DoI, whereas the Confederate rebellion was not.

 

Totally idiotic and pathetic non-sequitur. Texas secessionists ain't gonna be anti-fa protesters, Hoss...

 

Unresponsive.

 

I would not take up arms against my fellow Americans unless there was a concerted effort by some faction to overthrow the Constitution through violence.

So, for example, if Texas wanted to secede from the nation, I would oppose it. But I would not take up arms.

I'm a vet. I understand the military system. But that's my position.

 

And if you're gonna play your little kindergarten game, use the whole quote and be exposed for a fool:

Yes, your response most certainly is. There is no family exemption in the military oath of service. If you're active military, and your family is engaged in an insurrection against the Constitutional government of the United States, you would be expected to fire on them if ordered to. If you can't do that, don't take the oath, because the military would be morally and legally justified in executing you for your refusal.

You can go Godwin all you want, but that is simple reality.

 

It might depend on which side had my own political views. The state government or the federal government. Though from the looks of the United States, the sides would either be the conservatives who are too religious and anti censorship, and the liberals who are too communist, and anti gender. I would probably be a deserter or injure myself on purpose to avoid fighting. No point risking my life for causes I don't believe in.

 

The oath involves taking orders that are in accordance with the UCMJ. If the federal government were to turn on the state, would I then be in accordance since I am in the State's Guard?

 

Just as this armored unit came from the countryside, a long way from the city.

 

Only congress can declare war. Military commanders not acting in accordance with lawful orders issued by the chain of command, duly authorized by congress are rogues. We all witnessed the Arab spring uprising in Egypt. US soldiers will not engage US citizens.

 

"The 1967 Detroit riot, also known as the 12th Street riot or the 1967 Detroit rebellion, was one of 159 race riots that swept cities in the United States during the "Long Hot Summer of 1967". This riot was a violent public disorder that turned into a civil disturbance in Detroit, Michigan. It began in the early morning hours of Sunday July 23, 1967. The precipitating event was a police raid of an unlicensed, after-hours bar then known as a blind pig, just north of the corner of 12th Street (today Rosa Parks Boulevard) and Virginia Park Avenue, on the city's Near West Side. Police confrontations with patrons and observers on the street evolved into one of the deadliest and most destructive riots in the history of the United States, lasting five days and surpassing the violence and property destruction of Detroit's 1943 race riot just 24 years earlier.

To help end the disturbance, Governor George W. Romney ordered the Michigan Army National Guard into Detroit, and President Lyndon B. Johnson sent in both the 82nd and 101st Airborne Divisions. The result was 43 dead, 1,189 injured, over 7,200 arrests, and more than 2,000 buildings destroyed. The scale of the riot was surpassed in the United States only by the 1863 New York City draft riots during the American Civil War,[2] and the 1992 Los Angeles riots. The riot was prominently featured in the news media, with live television coverage, extensive newspaper reporting, and extensive stories in Time and Life magazines. The staff of the Detroit Free Press won the 1968 Pulitzer Prize for general local reporting for its coverage."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_Detroit_riot

 

Yes you have. Multiple times. Coups, assassinations, states succeeding, civil war.

 

Your posts are generally unresponsive, as demonstrated clearly in this thread. When someone makes the point that oaths to do immoral things may not be binding on a moral agent, then THAT'S the point, not an opportunity for you to then merely quote more oaths, or dodge to a tangent. Transparent, yet laughably common among LW posters here.

Throughout history, men have been pledging various oaths in service to various regimes. I could list ten oaths to historical regimes that I'm pretty sure no one in the thread would uphold, it's shooting ducks in a barrel, and so won't do it.

Long and short, "you pledged an oath" is, as OP and others point out, a simplistic answer to OP's thread question.

 

Considering who is in the White House I can't believe I would ever agree with any orders they might give.

 

that is a LIE

i have NEVER called for a coup to take place, anyone to be assassinated, or a civil war.

if I did, I would have been banned.

 

Really. That game again? We just had a thread where you claimed the same thing and then someone posted a quote from you where you literally said it and your reaction to that was just to blow it off as fake, despite the fact that you literally said it.

 

But if Obama had you would of been all like "yesa masta!"

 

Close. It would have been "yesa masta" to any president in my life time except trump.

 

Anyone in the military has to obey lawful orders the commander in chief gives. Can you cite for us an unlawful order?

 

I think ordinary people fought for the reasons that you implied, they followed their leaders
For the same reasons that ordinary GIs fought in Vietnam, and ordinary Germans invaded Poland and russia

 

If you can locate former Lt. William Calley he can give you a good example or two.

 

You go in and fight in your state. federal orders trump state orders. Never fight as a rebel; to do so you lose all honor; instead of civil war you use the mechanism in place to resolve issues that arise.