CNN Poll Shows Amnesty Advocates Are Big Loser in Shutdown

Meh, the dem narrative. The fact is dems are holding the budget hostage over illegals.

 

Wrong, the only holdup is DACA that dems insist is part of the budget deal. It takes 60 votes to end debate.

 

republicans are in charge, they know how to fix this, but refuse too, republicans decide what to vote on, not democrats, all democrats can do is vote on what republicans allow them too, republicans know what needs to be done to get their votes, and it's not a huge ask.... it's something most on both sides of the isle support

if Trump is unwilling to do this to avoid a shutdown, is actively petitioning the supreme court to overturn the lower courts on DACA, what makes you think anything will change between now and march

 

What makes you think Democrats want to resolve immigration issues?

Durbin proved they have no desire to do so. The Democrat controlled Congress and White House proved in 2010 they didn't want to do so.

This is an election year, and the Dems need talking points, immigration is a big deal to their base, and voters they are trying to exploit.

They need to admit as much, and vote to fund the government by the method they started in 2010.

My guess is they do so, and then use the DACA issue as the talking point. They will just claim they were forced to give up their position to do that.

Their partners in the media will hide the blackmail they were trying.

 

Trump made DACA a issue, had he left it alone we would not be discussing it today, most on both sides want it, so just add it to the bill, easy and we move on

Trump told Congress he wanted a bipartisan bill of love for DACA, what happened?

 

Skip the Brightfart spin, and read the actual poll.

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/19/politics/cnn-poll-shutdown-trump-immigration-daca/index.html

 

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why do Trump supporters hate the dreamers?

 

yep, and as most on both sides support the dreamers, just add it to the bill and vote on it, simple

 

Why do liberals hate Americans? The republicans were working on DACA in good faith which has until March to get done. Democrats decided to hold a spending bill hostage unless DACA is attached to it.

 

It' makes complete sense to stop ignoring the elephant Obama left in the room. There are ongoing legal issues related to Obama's edict.

The proper thing to do is get the Congress to resolve DACA via actual legislation. And that is why the President correctly took the action regarding Obama's mess that he did.

Schumer's Shutdown is simply the result of the Dems trying to blackmail the Nation into a forced resolution.

As I wrote, I think what may happen is they will cave, and remove the issue from the CR they are seeking. It would still give the Dems the manipulated propaganda talking points they are only interested in, and get short term funding authorization to keep the government operating.

I predict this fight will continue throughout the year, because the Dems are desperate for those talking points in the face of good economic results they can't hand anything they done on.

 

Dems are afraid they lose leverage without holding a spending bill hostage because they do not want a bipartisan bill giving republicans things they want like limiting chain migration. Of course without that the issue just comes back which they are happy about. Schumer offered the wall but not chain migration.

 

yep, so add it to the bill, simple, Trump made this a issue, now he sees why Obama did it the way he did, the alt-right will never support the dreamers, so now we have the #TrumpShutdown

if they wont add the dreamers to the bill to reopen the government, what makes you think they would by march just cause it was the right thing to do?

 

Actually dems and Repubs were working on it until dems pulled this stunt.

 

The midterms are coming up. We'll see who gets the blame.

 

Why do Hillary supporters hate America and Americans?

 

You know that's bull. That bi-partisan proposal was a load of crap that ignored DT's conditions.

 

actually they were until Trump pulled his stunt, Republicans do not know what Trump wants, he needs to make it clear

 

Schumer added it to blackmail the Republicans. There is no reason to have added it. It's just a ploy in an election year.

I don't believe for a second Dems have any desire to resolve the issue. I don't believe they will address it in March, or any month in any year. What would be the motivation to do so?

As long as they have their talking points, it's better to do nothing, than remove it from the campaign trail.

 

I think you know that is not true, Trump was clear, he wanted a bipartisan deal with love for the dreamers, he said he would take the heat and sign whatever they gave him, even if he did not agree with all of it - sadly for Trump, he choose to have camera's in the meeting, we all saw what he said

 

blackmail for what? nothing, both sides support the dreamers, just add it, democrats want nothing in return

in fact, dems are even offering republicans more money for border security in the proposal to protect the dreamers

 

Of course you know that isn't true.

Lots of details regarding DACA and border security that need to be resolved. Funding government via the method Dems unleashed in 2010 is the issue of the moment, DACA should be resolved legislatively via the legislative process, not blackmail.

Schumer's Shutdown is the direct result of Dems adding the DACA issue to the CR, and refusing to keep the two issues separate.

 

republicans are in charge, they can add it with whatever wording they want, then dems can either vote for it or not, I think you know that too

if republicans added protection for the dreamers and dems voted against it, you would have a point

 

Republicans don't have 60 votes. You know that, so stop playing games. Republicans need some votes from the Dems to pass the CR.

Schumer chose to shut down the government by adding in DACA to the Senate version of the bill. He put in DACA thinking his media partners would help him deceive the public about who to blame.

You are aware the House passed the CR, and it contained most of the demands the Dems in the House made?

 

republicans decide what is voted on, they are responsible to writing the bill so that it can get enough votes, you know that too

republicans could not even get all republicans to vote 'yes' on this bill, why did those republicans vote for a shutdown?