Concealed Carry Growing

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  1. Small Town Guy

    Small Town Guy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Probably right along with concealed carry growing, we should add that attitudes are changing as well.
    https://www.nraila.org/articles/201...-news-for-gun-controllers-anti-gun-candidates
    None of the dire predictions from the gun control advocates have come true. People get it, and they are finally starting to see the success stories in the media.
     
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    QLB Well-Known Member

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    You can rest assured the MSM will do EVERYTHING it can to ignore ANY incidents of self defense as well as attack ANYONE who engages in deadly force. Remember the guy just outside Detroit who is now rotting in prison because he punched the ticket of drunken drug out woman who was beating down his door?
     
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    Small Town Guy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I didn't see that one. WOW. I'm kinda hoping the MSM will get dragged into the 20th century by the people. Guess I'm an optimist. :wink:
     
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    Here you are, being intentionally naive again. One shoots the bad guy dead only when it's obvious that it's gonna' be him or me. There's nothing good about killing another human being, but it's far more terrible to let him kill you. If you haven't had to deal with that, it's because you have been lucky enough to live in one of those brief periods in human history where it isn't common.
    I think it was Benjamin Franklin who said: "Peace is that brief interval while everyone pauses to reload".
     
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    Casper Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    I doubt either a GOP president or congress could force anything or would even try. Do you see Congress doing anything now, there ya go.
     
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    Obama would veto it. what we do need is to replace judges like Breyer and Ginsburg with judges like Alito and Thomas when it comes to gun issues
     
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    you should not need a license to Concealed carry......
     
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    I'm sorry but I think it is better to stop would-be murderers getting firearms in the first place rather than arming Kindergarten teachers.
     
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    Small Town Guy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I was wondering how much more illegal we could make it to buy/own/posses a firearm to use to commit murder? What is your plan to stop would be murders from getting firearms in the first place?
     
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    The only effective way to stop would-be murderers from getting a firearm is to identify them ahead of time and lock them up forever. In essence, those who can not be trusted with their right to keep and bear arms should not be trusted with their liberty, at all. Is this what you propose?
     
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    repeal the Second Amendment. Times have changed since the 18th century and the United States should join the fold of advanced modern democracies.

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    See Post # 36.
     
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    Hotdogr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And repealing the 2A will affect criminals, how? I mean, thats essentially the same theory as the prohibition of marijuana.
     
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    Well, proper federal licensing laws could then be formulated to replace the Second Amendment which would have safeguards on who should be allowed to be armed in civilian neighborhoods, background checks, the regulation of sporting and hunting clubs, the manufacture and importation of firearms, and so on. This is what other advanced democracies do in the European Union where firearm crimes are a small fraction of the USA.
     
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    And these licensing laws will affect criminals, how? How do you ENFORCE who is allowed to be armed, or not? Rhetorical questions. The only way to prevent criminals from obtaining weapons in this country is to lock them up.
     
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    European Union countries seem to be able to do the job. Maybe the American police could get a few pointers from them.
    Maniacal killers usually have no police records until it is too late. Your idea would no work.
     
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    So you want the people who can't even manage a budget to make even more hard decisions.

    While you may enjoy living in a police state with cameras every 5 feet and uncontrollable riots after every sporting event, we do not.

    What's next are they going to start injecting police into people's orifices?

    Is the ban on guns going to work like the ban on drugs or alcohol?

    Are we going to need to do saturate the country with police like the UK did to get it's handgun ban crime under control?

    Is that you Piers?
     
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    I doubt it would ever get out the House no less the Senate, the fact of the matter the Congress dances around the issue of gun control laws no matter which Party controls which Houses. So do not count on anything changing when it comes to gun control other than the odds of another AR ban is highly unlikely.
     
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    Your proposal has been offered up countless times, and it always meets the same foregone conclusion; it is impossible. Unless you are willing to incarcerate criminals for the duration of their natural lives, or simply execute them, there is no way to stop them from obtaining firearms.

    The number of firearms in general circulation is between three hundred and five hundred million. In simple, uncomplicated, easy to understand terms, there are far too many firearms around for any proposal to be effective in even one percent of the cases. And with prosecutors refusing to use existing prohibitions, instead opting to drop all firearm-related charges to expedite a plea bargain, you offer a dead end.
     
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    There are more firearms in the united states than there are people to own them, many of them untraceable. Your proposal would require registering hundreds of millions of firearms before any restrictions could be enforced. The nation of Canada learned the hard way that this is an unenforceable, unworkable solution to a problem. They destroyed their long gun registry due to it being useless in combating crime. Why should the united states follow in the footsteps of a proven failure?
     
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    I cannot express n opinion about Canada.
     
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    And your current opinion about how to handle gun crime in the USA has been proven untenable. The EU has drug related and violent crimes. Why haven't you been able to eliminate the crimes....Perhaps it isn't the object, perhaps it is the human factor. Tell you what, pass some laws in the EU where you prevent some wanna be drug seller or user from obtaining drugs or any other crime and we'll see if your proposal would merit attention here in the US. K?:wink:
     
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    This topic is about hiding guns from view when in American neighborhoods, not smoking some weed in Europe.
     
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    I said a "good" GOP congress---too many unconstitutional flakes in it.
     
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    The topic is about people who take the responsibility, time, and effort, to stand up and refuse to be victims of violent individuals.

    Out of the millions of these people, less than a percent of 1% have used their weapons in an unjustified manner.

    The average person who has a CCW is orders of magnitude more responsible than the group of unlicensed citizens. You could go so far as to say that those who DON'T have a CCW license are far more dangerous than those who DO.
     
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    No it's actually about the number of law abiding citizens who apply for CCH and receiving them growing exponentially. Ancillary to that, crime in Florida is declining, Crime in the USA is declining, and gun ownership is outright growing. This doesn't fit the narrative you have expressed and I responded to regarding your belief that we could pass laws preventing someone from committing a crime by controlling an object. You stated "I'm sorry but I think it is better to stop would-be murderers getting firearms in the first place rather than arming Kindergarten teachers." Thus I responded to your particular line of reasoning with a counter example regarding a different type of crime. My point is to enhance your reasoning abilities to understand that a particular object is not the reason for a crime.....human nature is and always will be.

    If you feel you don't have a response to a comment about your line of reasoning, maybe you should respond to the actual topic, Concealed carry is growing.

    Thanks
     

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