Confronting the Gun Carnage in the US

Funny. I have not seen where you have told all these other people that advocating revoking the Second Amendment that their goals are unrealistic.

That is a bit misleading. It depends on whose special interests. The special interest you are concerned about is not likely the same special interest I am concerned about.

 

It is not a matter of what state. It is a matter of our very unique circumstances which could be in any state.

 

Please provide your link to "all these other people that advocating revoking the Second Amendment."

I am unaware of such an initiative.

 

I'll take that as your declining to address the significant disparity:

1. Alaska - Firearm deaths per 100,000 people: 23.0 per 100,000

2. Alabama - Firearm deaths per 100,000 people: 21.4 per 100,000
3. Louisiana - Firearm deaths per 100,000 people: 21.2 per 100,000
4. Mississippi - Firearm deaths per 100,000 people: 19.8 per 100,000
5. Oklahoma - Firearm deaths per 100,000 people: 19.6 per 100,000
6. Montana - Firearm deaths per 100,000 people: 19.0 per 100,000
7. Missouri - Firearm deaths per 100,000 people: 18.8 per 100,000
8. New Mexico - Firearm deaths per 100,000 people: 18.2 per 100,000
9. Arkansas - Firearm deaths per 100,000 people: 17.7 per 100,000
10. South Carolina - Firearm deaths per 100,000 people: 17.7 per 100,000

... and the states with the least:

50. Massachusetts - Firearm deaths per 100,000 people: 3.4 per 100,000
49. Rhode Island - Firearm deaths per 100,000 people: 4.0 per 100,000
48. New York - Firearm deaths per 100,000 people: 4.4 per 100,000
47. Hawaii - Firearm deaths per 100,000 people: 4.5 per 100,000
46. Connecticut - Firearm deaths per 100,000 people: 4.6 per 100,000
45. New Jersey - Firearm deaths per 100,000 people: 5.5 per 100,000
44. Minnesota - Firearm deaths per 100,000 people: 7.6 per 100,000
43. California - Firearm deaths per 100,000 people: 7.9 per 100,000
42. Maine - Firearm deaths per 100,000 people: 8.2 per 100,000
41. Washington - Firearm deaths per 100,000 people: 9.0 per 100,000
https://247wallst.com/special-report/2018/02/20/states-with-the-most-gun-violence-2/​

 

Because it has nothing to do with us unless you have a state where all the residents live at least fifteen minutes from law enforcement, where the nearest visible neighbor is two miles away, where everyone is in the eighty year old range and where there is a national park nearby through a back access where drinking and drug use is common. If you have a state like that, let me know and I will use their stats.

 

You mean like this one?
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...m-extinction-and-that-is-a-good-thing.561269/
I don't remember you commenting on it.

 

If you rather avoid the states' stark disparity in firearm fatalities per capita and consider the reasons that some have a far higher rate than others, there is nothing to prevent your avoiding the matter.

 

You may be confused. There is nothing in your linked post about repealing the Second Amendment.

Is there any actual movement anywhere to do so?

 

Everybody has an opinion- but few look to the big picture that usually puts things in balance. Look up a chart of drug overdose deaths, and you find New York rates 4-5 times the firearms rate. Maine is around 27, more than three times the firearm rate. There are a multitude of things killing people- and with great consistency, the culprit is people. The weapon involved is but an instrument, no different than a hammer a carpenter builds with or a knife a chef uses- but misused, those and most everything else can become a murder weapon.

Healthy, whole people do not abuse drugs, nor do they kill other people. Those people are not the enemies or the causes, yet we insist on punishing them and ignoring the real sources.
When we accept the keystone role of the people involved in these things and stop blaming the mechanics, we will be on the path to success.

 

Musing about mortality rates and the plethora of causalities, the thousand natural (and unnatural) shocks that flesh is heir to, does not address the stark disparity in firearm fatalities among states. Comparative analysis of the pertinent differences between those with a very high rate and those with a very low rate (All abide by the Second Amendment, of course.) could afford very useful information for any hoping to reduce a high rate.

Surely, Alaska, Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Montana, Missouri, New Mexico, Arkansas, and South Carolina would wish to reduce their high level of firearm fatalities to the much lower incidence in Massachusetts, Rhode Island, New York, Hawaii, Connecticut, New Jersey, Minnesota, California, Maine, and Washington.

 

Are you saying that no matter where I live in one of those high firearm death states, my odds are the same? Do you realize how utterly stupid that is.

Just look at the title and it goes downhill from there.
"Gun rights in the US are 1 election away from extinction and that is a good thing."
And then the opening discussion.
"Guns have taken to many lives, over 1.5 Million since Vietnam. Finally we have democrats that are willing to end the carnage once and for all. In 2020 if the democrats take back the white house (gonna happen) and the senate (very likely) and keep the house (extremely likely) then gun rights will be finished."
"See what will happen will be mandatory buy backs of the assault weapons, and then a ban on them. They will then force the supreme court to overturn the ruling of Chicago and if they don't they will simply pack the court."

"The individual right to carry a gun outside the militia will be gone, and just a footnote in history a very bloody one at that."

Or do you just consider than getting rid of privately owned weapons outside of the militia is OK?

 

I’m not inclined to do research for you today, but if you apply racial makeup of states on your lists to propensity to violence you would certainly be enlightened. Particularly interesting to me is Asian populations.

 

I find it amazing that anyone can make an argument against a particular type of weapon, but ignore the fact that no weapon is a murder weapon until it is in the hands of a killer.
Weapons can be anything: there are more people killed with hammers and clubs than all types of rifles combined. The weapons are guilty, but the killers are innocent?

Then we need to arrest the car when a drunk drives it into your children. Or, we could just ban cars so the drunks could never find one to use. Exactly the same logic.

 

Another dishonest post which wants to blame the tools for the lack of morality of men. This is so idiotic.

 

Yes we can. The Democrats have a secret weapon they plan to impose on the nation to fight urban gun violence. It is called gentrification.

 

If you won't or can't confront the empirical reality of the stark disparity in firearm fatalities among states, then you won't and or can't.

The American People relentlessly speaking truth to power will, eventually, result in the democratic will prevailing.

Progress is inevitable.

 

Becoming a totalitarian state where human rights are denied is hardly progress. We have become a nation of idiots.

 

Odd you left vermont off the list. Wonder why you did that?

 

Americans will not surrender to the horrific level of firearm carnage much longer. The democratic will shall prevail.

 

That should be obvious.
Vermont is number 36, Firearm deaths: 11.0 per 100,000.
I provided a list of the ten highest, and ten lowest: 1 - 10, 41 - 50.
Vermont is neither.

 

https://vermontbiz.com/news/march/vermont-ranked-safest-state

 

Firearms are responsible for slightly more deaths than falls, and less than poisonings and traffic accidents.
So I think in addition to outlawing firearms, we will need to outlaw automobiles, outlaw poisons, and require mandatory wearing of crash helmets in order to deal with this crisis....

 

I cited the same poll for all states.

I did not cherry pick polls for any.

Your vanity poll fails to cite firearm fatalities per capita.

Vermont is number 36, Firearm deaths: 11.0 per 100,000.

 

Yes. people die from many causes.

The relevant one in this thread is firearm fatalities, in which the US far exceeds all other advanced nations, and there is a large differential between the ten states with the highest per capita, and the ten with the lowest.

 

What the chart shows is that they are basically irrelevant. A small splinter in the overall chart.