Conservatives Viewpoint on Poverty

The current war on poverty is the only plan offered by either party, and is the only alternative to the zero number of plans offered by the Republicans.

So, when it comes to pass or fail, at least liberal programs are better than the nothing from the conservatives and neoconservatives.

 

What you describe sounds like What At one time was called loan sharking
Are you saying that if borrow $100 I have to pay Back $175 in two weeks
Or is that 75% an annual rate
Which I would only pay back $102.90 In two weeks

 

Setting the standard is an issue, but the poor is not a fixed group. People move into or out of poverty everyday. You would be hard pressed to come up with a set of policies with automatic funding mechanisms that would permanently keep the elderly with medical bills in Florida, the 20 year old crack addict in Chicago, and the workers whose coal mine just shut down in Kentucky all out of poverty that would be politically acceptable to a majority of the people.

It varies. So far it appears that it lowers the poverty rate for under 18 and over 65, but raises it in the 18-64 age group and aggregate total.
As for what conservative policy created the new measurement methodology, none. It is being done after much debate and discussion based on a previous study, but with a 5% variation in elderly poverty rates between the new method and the old, for instance, there will be a world of policy differences. http://www.census.gov/prod/2013pubs/p60-247.pdf

 

charter schools are a joke
The teacher gets laid off from a public school She goes to work in a charter school
If a kid wants to learn and a teacher wants them to learn
the kid will learn

 

Ronald Reagan dismantled all war on poverty programs
Started by Johnson

 

Not at all, private and charter schools fire more then public schools who have the lowest accountability of any profession in the US.

If a charter school sucks, no on goes to it. If public schools suck they get mandated children to try on and get paid for.

It doesn't matter what you think about vouchers if you won't send your own kids to the worst public schools. Until then you are just an authoritarian telling the 50k children on waiting lists for charter schools just in NY alone that their parents don't care and they must keep going to your crappy public school despite their stated intention of getting the hell out.

Lefterism is a mental disorder.

 

$175.00 in two weeks. Haven't you heard of the predatory loans by the payday crooks?

 

The points are broadly about right yes. Whats been done..... not enough because there needs to be major change to empower people. Conservative parties tend to tinker around the edges of the welfare states rather than hitting it head on sadly, leftists parties simply say more of the same failed socialist ideology is the answer.

Poverty will never be eliminated but at least give people the best chance possible to succeed on their own merit. I believe thats all we should ask for, so for mine:

1. Negative income tax
2. Limited govt
3. Streamline regulation
4. School and healthcare vouchers for all people equally.
5. Privatize education and health
6. No min wage
7. Strict border and immigration policies. Immigrants should be able to pay their own way and be net contributors.
8. No corporate political donations. A small donation per vote that most people can afford should be the limit.

 

my 2 children went to public school
Every day We discussed what they learned that day
If I had a feeling that teacher was not appropriate I would call the school the next day and set up meeting with that particular teacher
For each child in school it takes three people to Successfully educate a child
A parent. A teacher and most of all the student

I know on a number of occasions especially in history I would have to go to the school and privately discuss with the teacher what she was teaching
Most would ask me prove my point or apologize Which I did in every case
But I also found every teacher for my children and public school was cooperative and more than happy to meet With me every time something came up

I think parents are getting a free ride when it comes to the education of their child
Which should not happen

 

What does an uneducated parent who wants the best education for the kid do when they are limited themselves because they went to the same low performing school their kid is trapped in? Are we talking about what is best for the poor, or what you like? Did your kids go to the worst schools in your district? Would you be OK of they did instead? Plans on sending grand kids to the worst public schools you can find because it doesn't matter anyway?

Why do you think teachers don't matter when Jaime Escalante proved definitively that they do?

 

Your response implies you did not read my post before responding to it
Were did I say teachers don't matter
What I think and what I had been told over and over by teachers
is that cooperation and support from parents is very important in a child's education
And why must the parent be well educated
Or be at a certain level of income

 

Or get teachers who can do the job. Like those at Harlem success academy who take poor kids and ground national average scores year after year.

Jaime escalante turned a math program around and when he left it went back the other way. Of course not all schools and teachers are equally good, just like everything else. The question is, do vouchers and charter opportunities extend or reduce the life of bad schools? The status quo?

 

Good decisions eliminate the need for these loans. Artificially reducing the cost of these loans disincentives their avoidance and technically promotes bad decisions.

Ooh man, I wish you were right.

 

Are they better? You have more poverty today, having spent trillions of dollars, than you had when those programs began. Do you call it a success when the problem you meant to solve gets worse? Come to think of it, that definition of success *would* explain a lot.

 

i'm almost certain that was illegal in New Jersey when I retired 11 years ago
And the guys that loaned money like that would bust your kneecaps if you didn't pay
now its legal wow
Do they still bust kneecaps

 

He did??

Well, he didn't start that process, Carter did. And they had good reason. It has been entirely ineffective. I say "has been" because while his rhetoric was intended to achieve what you may refer to as "dismantling" he was largely ineffective at it. Clinton did quite a bit more, but the War on Poverty continues today.

Anyway, which of the programs started by Johnson did Reagan "dismantle"?

 

80% of New York High School Grads Can’t Read Despite Being No. 1 in School Spending

Bloomberg’s big pitch when running for office was that he was going to be the education mayor. After three terms, he seems to be spending more time intervening in congressional races in other states than dealing with petty matters like hurricanes and snowstorms at home. And while Bloomy is fighting for gun control in the Midwest, Johnny Brooklyn can’t read.



The problem isn’t a lack of money. New York State is No. 1 in per pupil spending in the country blowing $18,126 per student and New York City tops that by spending $19,000 per student. And it can’t compete in literacy with much lower per pupil spending states like Utah. It can’t compete at all despite going deep into debt to pay for this public mess.

New York City may dump fortunes into its public schools, but it’s family values that make it possible for students to learn, not more teachers.


Nearly 80 percent of New York City high school graduates need to relearn basic skills before they can enter the City University’s community college system.

Officials told CBS 2′s Kramer that nearly 80 percent of those who graduate from city high schools arrived at City University’s community college system without having mastered the skills to do college-level work.

In sheer numbers it means that nearly 11,000 kids who got diplomas from city high schools needed remedial courses to re-learn the basics.

In its defense, the NYC Department of Education said it has raised high school graduation rates by 40 percent over the last seven years. And that the number of students needing remedial courses to do college work has declined slightly — by half a percentage point overall.

And there’s your problem. Promotion results in graduating students who don’t know anything. High school grad rates increase, but the high school graduates don’t know anything. And their college becomes an extension of high school. Eventually a PhD becomes the equivalent of a college degree and then a high school degree. And then we’re Russia or Cuba, boasting about our education rates despite the fact that the diplomas we hand out are mostly worthless.

But I’m sure Bloomberg will just blame his failure on Global Warming or the NRA.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dg...t-read-despite-being-no-1-in-school-spending/

 

Given the fact the only solution to any problem offered by the right wing is to cut taxes on the one percent, and give federal subsides to Big Business to ship millions of well-paying jobs to Asia, those conservative/neoconservative “solutions” have caused far more poverty than they reduced.

But, since right-wingers cannot understand this, there is really no point in this discussion.

After you deregulate all you can, screw up the air, water,and soil, redistribute 99% of the wealth into the pockets of the one percent, and bankrupt the country with useless wars, what are the right wing plans for future generations?

 

You might wish to do some research into the modern era of loans to the poor. It seems you would be surprised by the truth of what is now permitted in many states. But if you are a right-winger, you will deny the truth.

 

no it is a war on the poor to day Being waged by Right wing conservatives
It seems you haven't been reading much That is said By conservative right wingers

Attempts by right wing conservatives to end
Social Security Food stamps and any other form of a help to the poor

Some even state any one getting any kind of government assistance are nothing but moochers

 

Yep. The right wing likes welfare just as much as the left wing; they just prefer different beneficiaries. In all cases, everyone becomes worse off except those who control the funding.

That's the standard line that I hear when someone wants to run away. It's much easier to shut things down rather than confidently stand for what you believe.

I have no idea. I'm not right wing though I think the same things you complain about are happening from the left wing as well. The plutocracy plays your "side" against the other "side" and grows wealthier for it.

 

I don't read anything said <sic> by "conservative right wingers" any more or less than what I read by "liberal left wingers."

I see government as a war on the poor, creating dependency, misery and then wasting valuable treasure and lives on warfare.

Have those ended? Have they significantly decreased more in recent years than was offered in past years? I don't think so. It seems like even where there are "cuts" it's just decreases in the rate of increase.

I'm still wondering why, despite the useless right-wing attempts to slow down the pace of, not to mention defund, anti-poverty programs, poverty has not gone down. In fact, it has gone up.

 

Here is the core reason why this thread is evidence that you do not understand Conservatives, will not understand Conservatives, and do not wish to understand Conservatives:

You don't know enough about human nature to understand that being poor and being dependent are two entirely different conditions. You actually think that being poor means being dependent!

Being poor is a financial condition. Being dependent is a mental condition. What liberalism has done is hijacked a financial condition and made it terminal by creating the mental condition of dependence. That has been accomplished by assuming that people without means cannot create any of their own; by misguidedly gifting without conditions, by lowering standards and erasing accountability, and by shunning anyone who has any expectations of other people.

By building the Welfare State. In this state, a new entity has been created: the class of people who have been conditioned to believe that their failures are the fault of others; that they are helpless without the manna-giving hand of Big Government, that they are abused.

In truth, they have been brainwashed, and are nothing but votes, and a means to an end.

So you ask what Conservatives have been doing for the poor? We have been fighting these poisonous notions.

But liberals have on their side powerful allies, including the notion that giving is easier than teaching, that emotion is more motivational than logic; that instant gratification is more expedient and pleasuring than hard work.

So you've succeeded, liberals. Live with it.

 

Blasio is in office now. Many immigrant kids go to community college in Ny and their English isn't much better then we find in Texas or CA border towns.

NY charters were improving public education. Private education there is some of the best in the world, as are their magnet schools. Long term failing schools are the issue. Community college applicants are a bad measure I think.