Corbyn is Being Destroyed, Like Blowing Up a Bridge to Stop an Advancing Army <<MOD WARNNG>>

So That is a nice twist, the people who are trying to destroy the labour party because they support neo liberalism corporate power and not democracy and who are engaged in false accusations against those who believe in Social Democracy call those who believe in Social Democracy extremists.

Blair sold the country out to corporate power - Corporate Power being in control of our Government is not democracy rather it leads to Fascism, the beginning of which we see in some places in England, getting stronger too.What will stop that is Social Democracy. That is what you are frightened of in Corbyn.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/ourki...new-epoch-for-democratic-resistance-has-begun

The second thing I mentioned was your attack on genuine labour members many of whom had worked against racism all their lives, hurling abuse at them, suspending them from the party and creating a false moral panic, all because you want to keep your neo liberalism corporate power and what you personally gain from it in tack.

http://medialens.org/index.php/aler...-of-a-propaganda-blitz-part-2-hitlergate.html

Basically you have created a faux antisemitism scandle in order to continue neo liberalism and Corporate Power over the UK electorate.

In that you work to destroy Labour. For you no labour is better than a Social Democratic Labour. No Labour is better than one that brings back democracy to the country.

I do not think Corbyn has dealt with the antisemitism smears well, so you may have worked in keeping England ruled by Corporate Power and possibly moving towards fascism though a hard Brexit will bring that from the Tory Party itself.

However in this you have been at the forefront of destroying the UK. Scotland never bought neo liberalism. Without your destruction of democracy in the UK and selling it out to corporate power I very much doubt that there would have been a Brexit vote. A hard Brexit will create a United Ireland, a far right/fascist England and almost certainly an Independent Scotland - and you call people who do not want that extremist - hey you forgot you should have been using the word terrorist.

 

And a soft Brexit sells us all out to corporate power.
That si what they want and it's not what the people voted for.

I don't think anything is going to create a United Ireland.
The Irish seem to genuinely hate the idea.

Because Ireland's nationalist vs Unionist vote breaks down into a geographically dividable line, they have been able to achieve the independence Scotland has not, even without an Ireland wide majority.

Scotland is harder country to grant independence.
It's a significant minority who want it, but they aren't easily divisible from those who don't.
For them to get it would essentially be anti-democratic. The Tyranny of the minority.
Rule by aristocracy. Rule by elite.
They can't just form their own country because the demography is bad..

 

Weird statement, given membership has gone through the roof. The reference to extremists also lacks credibility. Momentum, for example, are merely socialist activists. It's given us a chance to introduce democracy to the party. The individual member matters, rather than the big donor trying to buy influence.

It was the PLP right wingers that overestimated support. They believed the median voter model held, such that they could keep their careers just by being plastic Tory. The combination of arrogance and ignorance was amazing.

Despite the Labour machinery failing to support the leadership or membership (e.g. support was ignorantly siphoned to safe seats), Corbyn increased share of vote more than any leader since 1945.

Of course that's why the smears are intensifying. During election time, they're forced to give Corbyn a fair hearing. Not surprisingly, social democracy (the real version, not the Progress reinvention to justify right wing policies) is rather popular. They need to do anything they can to get rid of him now.

 

They've been doing their absolute best, but there is no saving some people.

I think we should expect a Macron type event.
A new left wing party able to reach the moderates.
I also think the Conservatives are at the same point too. Ready two divide into two parties.

I don't think that UKIP, a brexit type party is able to deliver. Despite being the key issue that is dividing the electorate from politicians.The new partisan.
I don't think left and right wings are willing to associate with each other politically. To self identify with each other as a single political entity. Brexit is strong enough to tear down the old partisans, but I don't think it will form the glue for any new ones that replace them.

 

Two aspects here. First, Corbyn has huge support from the members. You're essentially suggesting that those members, and by definition the Labour Party, are clueless. Perhaps you think the Labour Party should just be Oxbridge types deciding whether their career is via a Labour or Tory safe seat? Second, Labour's door to door activism has never been stronger. If anything, it was weakest under Blair (and his belief that you could just cave in to Rubert Murdoch demands to get elected). Indeed, it was the success of the activists that ensured those electoral gains (and the look of shock on election day from the likes of Stephen Kinnock)

 

An MP has resigned from the party announcing he's standing as an independent telling the party's chief whip that 'The party has become a force for Anti Semitism'.
Why are Socialists also Xenophobic?
https://metro.co.uk/2018/08/30/labo...has-become-a-force-for-anti-semitism-7898141/
Jeremy Hitler or Adolf Corbyn.

 

Yeah, the Labor right is ****ed. Find yourself a cap and an apron, cause you're weekdays will mostly involve asking people if they want fries with their burger. Establishment left parties have been absolutely decimated all over Europe. Hence the Corbyn left's ascendancy. Being just a shill for Momentum isn't much of an obstacle.

The Conservative Party on the other hand has done nothing but tilt further toward the establishment since June 23, 2016. They seem to be talking to their Liberal Party counterparts in Australia, because ours are doing the exact same **** over here: temporarily filling the void left by the establishment left's demolition. But as the election showed, this is not a viable strategy. You can only push gender wage gap propaganda and virulent bureaucracy for so long before the conservative electorate decides it's time for you to **** off.

For a bit of context, last week we deposed our heavily pro-social justice Liberal Party Prime Minister (Liberal Party = Tories over here), and they very narrowly missed having a far right ideologue take over. There is an insurrection in our right wing party just as there is in yours. The ex-PM had a terrible result in the leadership spill, so they had a second one and didn't even have the current PM as a contender, desperately nominated someone of his worldview who didn't have all the baggage of people knowing they're an SJW.

Hopefully the Tories will realise May is a complete **** in time and nominate Mogg instead.

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When 3/4ths of MPs fundamentally disagree with the electorate on something decided at a referendum, something has to give. Either:

1 - Abandon the democracy of the referendum and pull an "EU special" - an indefinite number of follow up referenda until the "right" result is achieved.
2 - A mass overhaul of Parliament
3 - A silent coup with MPs colluding to hoodwink the electorate.

I think at this point it's pretty clear which of these the UK is getting.

Try to enjoy yourselves, we don't have it much better, other than our never joining an authoritarian bureaucratic superstate to begin with.

 

Depends...
Have these Brits worked?/Have they paid into the National Insurance?
(Or had years of unemployment/never had a job in their lives)?

How many Muslim Immigrants in the Household? Are we talking about a refugee family fleeing some warzone somewhere or what?

 

Jeremy Corbyn and his Momentum supporters are Nazis.
End of.

 

Wake up and smell the coffee, Jeremy Corbyn's a monster, Momentum are thugs.

 

I could never vote nationalist; I find all forms abhorrent. However, there's a lesson here regarding Party takeover. Scottish Labour were taken over by right wingers who took the working class vote for granted. End result? The Labour vote was demolished!

They expected something similar in Wales, with significant losses. It didn't happen: a Corbyn effect no less!

 

@Steady Pie
Who is the Aussie politician who got photographed punching out a shark?

That's like pure Putin. He is a total winner.

 

This is true but what actually brought this into being was more Labour's response to Independence, its connivance with the Tories and so on. I am aware of your view on this but the Independence time was a real political wake up in Scotland and by no means by most people to do with Nationalism even civic. Groups such as Radical Independence, Common Space, women for Independence and a whole lot more gave people a place where they could actively become involved in politics and decide what they wanted for the future. Without them I do not think the vote would have come so close. It was after the Independence vote was lost coupled with disgust both at the way the Labour Party joined with the Tories on that as well as taking their votes for granted which resulted in many believing the best way forward was with the SNP - AS Mhairi Black said in her maiden speech at Westminster, she did not give up on Labour, Labour gave up on her.



(I am sure I have even heard Nicola Sturgeon lamenting that her party has the word Nationalist in it.)
It is possibly worth remembering that Scotland was going for Independence/Home Rule before the First World War. I have heard it argued that what brought the UK together was the Welfare State and with that gone there really is not much to keep us together on the political level. Corbyn however could change that. Radical Independence - strongly left and Internationalist went for Independence purely because they believed that Westminster (the Deep State if you like), was so infiltrated with Imperialism that it would never allow radical political change and I think we possibly can see that with the united front from Blairite Labour and the Tories against Corbyn.

Don of course was just doing his best to make labour lose the election.

 

I certainly take that point. Scottish Labour's approach demonstrated their plastic Tory colours. Corbyn and co avoided those problems with Brexit. Fighting Brexit, but also acknowledging the deficiencies and avoiding close ties with the Tories, arguably stopped any UKIP bounce: both Brexiteers and Remainers can comfortably support Corbyn's social democracy.

As you know, I'm all in favour of the break up of the Union. I also think the best option will be via democratic labour. Radical economics cuts through the flag waving limitation that distorts more reasoned discussion.

 

Thats what the british guy was complaining about

 

Well, Corbyn denounced terrorism in general but he won't commit to specifically denounce the IRA because he's met them in the past. Many feel he's an IRA sympathiser. Draw your own conclusions.

 

Utter drivel! He met both Republicans and Unionist politicans. Even Ian Paisley saw Corbyn as a gentleman, as confirmed by his wife.

Perhaps read less Daily Hate and educate yourself?

 

I am guessing you do not know much about it. Many of the Catholics of Northern Ireland did not even have the vote. They had been involved in civil rights activities which were met with violence. Corbyn said 'all bombing is wrong'. The situation the Catholics of Ireland was in at that time was very wrong. Do you expect Corbyn to diss them for wanting to change that and as I have said they had done everything in a peaceful way there was to get change and that had been met by violence. I understand why the troubles began. The problem then is how you end them and it is only if you do not want peace that you do not talk to them.

We were a different world back then.

Here's a BBC on the day the troubles started.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/events/day_troubles_began

 

Perhaps you should watch Corbyn's interviews. He claims he's never met the IRA but he admits to meeting former Sinn Fein prisoners who are no longer in the IRA when he met them.

That's like saying you've never met a president but you met Obama last week, then claiming, "But he's not a president when I met him". Corbyn is a class A muppet.

 

You guess totally wrong.

 

Again, he met Republican AND Unionist politician. Given the troubles, that should be commended. You have merely fallen for the lies. As I said, educate yourself.

 

I can't embed the video on here.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4549908/Jeremy-Corbyn-FINALLY-admits-met-IRA-members.html

You will find the video of Corbyn. Listen to what he says.

 

I'm not interested in the Daily Hate. I've told you that he met with both Republicans and Unionists. He did that because he's a man of peace. Bit feckin obvious really.

 

Ok let us know your position then. Were you a soldier there? Do you think it was right that the Catholics were treated as second class citizens, many of them without a vote. When they go on civil rights marches and are met with violence and they do not even have a vote how are you expecting them to get justice?

 

I'm not either, it's the source of the interview that's the important bit. I couldn't give a flying f*** that he's met Republicans and Unionists.

HE MET FORMER IRA MEMBERS. HE CLAIMED PREVIOUSLY THAT HE NEVER DID. HE CLAIMED IN THE INTERVIEW THAT'S IN THE DAILY MAIL LINK FROM HIS OWN MOUTH.

You're obviously a denier, but there again, it's a Labour trait.