Corona Virus Update

First of all, you are arguing about something you clearly know nothing about. You made a blatantly false claim.

What would the flu rate have been without the vaccines? You have no idea. Leave this to people who are experts. Your job as a citizen is to listen and learn.

 

No, but the CDC and WHO report this:
What is the History of Influenza Vaccine Use in America?
The first vaccine for influenza was developed in 1938 and given to U.S. soldiers during World War II. A 1944 study of the new influenza vaccine determined that, while helpful in reducing illness with a temperature above 99 degrees F, it did not appear to have an impact on clinical outcomes. In 1947, further evaluation of the influenza vaccine found no difference in health outcomes between those who were vaccinated and those who were not vaccinated.

When the predicted “Asian” flu pandemic materialized in the 1957-1958 flu season, production of a vaccine against this pandemic influenza strain was initiated quickly in hopes it would limit mortality and reduce severity of the illness for vaccinated persons. Approximately 40 million doses of the vaccine were administered to people in the U.S.

However, due to the lack of effectiveness and limited availability, public health officials reported that “the vaccine had no appreciable effect on the trend of the pandemic.”

A review of this “annual flu shot” recommendation four years later found little evidence that annual vaccination of seniors and others thought to be at high risk for influenza had any appreciable impact on influenza-related mortality rates. A 1968 double-blind randomized study conducted by CDC officials and published by the World Health Organization (WHO) came to similar conclusions and even suggested that “attention should be redirected towards finding a more efficacious means of protection.” Yet, despite studies demonstrating that the influenza vaccine was ineffective, government vaccine policy recommendations for annual flu shots continued.

On June 26, 2014, the CDC recommended giving FluMist to healthy children between 2 and 8 years of age instead of inactivated injectable influenza vaccines but, 2 years later, in June 2016, the CDC withdrew its recommendation based on data which determined that the vaccine was completely ineffective in preventing influenza. On February 21, 2018, the CDC reinstated a new formulation of FluMist in advance of the 2018-2019 flu season. Vaccine efficacy studies on this new formulation of FluMist have not been completed, therefore it is unknown whether the vaccine offers any protection from influenza. The CDC voted against recommending FluMist over the available inactivated injectable influenza vaccines but stated it could be considered as an option.

Despite the ever-growing number of influenza vaccines available in the U.S. market, the effectiveness of influenza vaccines has not improved very much over the years. In 2003-2004, the CDC increased research efforts to determine just how well seasonal flu vaccine works in preventing cases of influenza in vaccinated persons.

Since 2004, the seasonal influenza vaccine has failed to prevent influenza in vaccinated persons more than half the time, demonstrating a low of 10 percent effectiveness in 2004/2005 to a high of 60 percent effectiveness in 2010/2011. The average effectiveness of influenza vaccines over the past 14 flu seasons has been less than 41 percent.

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The Cochrane review also concluded that recommendations for routine use of influenza vaccine as a routine public health measure was not supported by the published evidence base and stated,

“The results of this review provide no evidence for the utilisation of vaccination against influenza in healthy adults as a routine public health measure. As healthy adults have a low risk of complications due to respiratory disease, the use of the vaccine may only be advised as an individual protective measure.”

The 2018 Cochrane review of influenza vaccination in healthy adults found that the flu vaccine may only have a modest impact on reducing the number of cases of influenza and influenza-like illness but the data was insufficient to determine whether vaccination had any impact on working days lost or on reducing serious complications of the flu during influenza season.

 

You need to post sources other than your opinion.

 

I wonder if the flu stats are similar for Australia or if it’s just an American thing?

 

It’s a human thing. We all breathe, we all defecate and we all grow old. Some breathe with a little more effort, some defecate with a little more irregularity and some grow older. Change and difference will always be a constant.

 

While the impact of the vaccine on HEALTHY ADULTS is minimal it does help with those who suffer from sub-optimal health. Some people get the flu every year and it turns into Bronchitis or Pneumonia leading to sick days. The flu vaccines break this cycle. Just because a vaccine is only 40% percent effective it makes a difference to the 40% who benefit from it.

 

I think I’ll keep having the vaccine.

 

Agreed!

At my age it is fully covered by my health insurance so it is a no-brainer.

 

To my original point average age is what matters. I don’t disagree with your input, it’s correct. But the death rate among the elderly is why there will be a positive economic effect long term. That was my point. Not that young people do or don’t end up in the hospital or that medical professionals are/aren’t at high risk. While true, your information is irrelevant to my point on the economies of some affected countries.

 

Only benefits the 40% that were inoculated and harms the other 60% and the rest of the 70% of the country that refused immunization. So vaccines help 12% of the population while hindering the other 88%.

 

Whose nether regions did you pull that bovine excrement from?

Prove that flu vaccines "hinder 88%" of the population.

 

When was the last time this was even mentioned?
What it means to be under a federal quarantine
By Harmeet Kaur, CNN

Enough said!!!

 

At any age it’s fully covered and with no monthly premium.
Where to Get a Flu Shot: Free & Cheap Options (CVS? Walgreens? etc)
William Lipovsky
Verified & Updated 10/10/2019

 

Why did you MOVE the goal posts to something UTTERLY IRRELEVANT to the flu vaccine?

Was it because you cannot substantiate your bovine excrement allegation?

 

Your post is nonsensical! If 100% of the population had the vaccine then "So vaccines help 40% of the population while hindering the other 0%"

 

Utterly irrelevant? You ask a question of proof for the validity of a vaccine that has been administered for over 50 years then I post proof of the actions taken by the recipients of those vaccines and you claim moving of the goal post. The only thing that has moved is the vaccine recipients are now claiming quarantine. The flu vaccines don’t work like polio, rubella, mumps, measles, small pox or chicken pox vaccines.

 

My post? Not quite. It’s the CDC and WHO that posted

 

Scientists Identify 69 Drugs to Test Against the Coronavirus

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/22/...te=1&user_id=2ea45020b950aa539049fabc1c7dee27

Two dozen of the medicines are already under investigation. Also on the list: chloroquine, a drug used to treat malaria.

 

WTF?

Seriously WTF?

The content above makes no sense whatsoever!

 

You've ignored your "while hindering the other 88%" claim. No one has said that the vaccine prevents 100% of those who get the vaccine from getting flu. But it did stop 40% of those who got the vaccine from getting the flu. So explain how those who did not get the vaccine were hindered?

 

Of course there are many drugs being tested - there is money to be made. Tamiflu made many millions for Rumsfeld, a drug that was bought by many countries and never used or proven successful

 

Totally false, Trump has no control over what a virus can do or will do, all Trump can do is advise people what to do and hope they do it.

Least you forget this is the U.S., not some socialist dictatorship.

Oh by the way securing the borders which Trump has been trying to do, but being blocked from every direction is a good beginning in controlling any contagious disease, so in a way Trump was actually already preventing the spread even befor the virus landed here.

 

Trump stated just two weeks ago that hundreds of thousands of people will go to work while showing symptoms and will get better which is Trump giving a green light to go to work while showing symptoms. So irresponsible!

 

Yet another lie, where has their been a Trump rally held since the EO was issued.

 

That's because unlike the Democrats, they are taking a responsible course of action if they believe they have been exposed to the virus.