Covid-19 is here to stay

what you do not get, they coordinated their effort, across their international borders and domestically, they helped each other and did not fight each other and that is the reason they got a handle on it.
They opened their borders 4 weeks ago again, with the understanding and agreement, if they loose the handle again they will close those borders again, or isolate countries which loose control.27 countries were able to mange the crisis, because they worked to gather and helped each other.
That is superb leadership.

You have the opposite in the US.

 

Prove Europe closed it’s borders to fellow EU members but American states did not? Are you serious? I’ve already given you evidence Europe did just that. Are you okay?

 

No this is independent nations with borders that can and were closed and yes we have the opposite in the US. We have fifty states that are all part of America and closing all those borders would have to be done by fifty governors. The feds have no power to do so.

 

Europe did more than one thing. The way they handled travel is only one aspect.

Also, we could also have taken measures to reduce the same kind of travel, as I described earlier.

You can not suggest we are damned by the fact that we have states. In some ways, states make things easier.

When Euope wanted to fight COVID, they had to have international negotiations!

Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Poland, Belgium, ..., they all had to agree on issues that are social, economic, medical, etc., all at once.

 

Ok, let me repeat it for you, 27 countries coordinated their lock down of the borders.
Jup, they are countries, but they are bound by 2 treaties.
Question to you which treaties are they ?

Can you tell me ?

I will ask you till you tell me which, everyday.

They than coordinated their opening, 4 weeks ago.

What is so special about the US, that the President of The United States of America can not sit down with 50 governors and organized a unified response, based on CDC guide lines. Its the President, if he can not organize or negotiate with his own people, to response to a crisis like this, what is that position good for, to fly around with Air Force 1 and play golf ?
If the President would have steped up in March and rallied the country, organized it, got the Governors on board, showed his great negotiation skills, made the deals, lets remember he talks to Americans, not NK, or China, his own people, that should have been easy, don't you think so.
Europe did exactly that, across the board, against all animosities, there was the understanding for a common cause and for the moment, the most cherioshed parts of Europe had to be set aside, free movement.
A truly unique moment, which questioned and strained the 2 contracts, they have become the corner stone of Europe.

My question again which are they.

True leadership is, if a crisis like this happens the leaders have to take responsibility and risk separation, demand it, but they have to do it, with out braking the unity.
That is what Europe did, they separated, without loosing unity. Opposite they helped each other through the crisis, stood together and cared for each other.
They showed to be a better Union than the US.

 

Good points. The major point being that something called the European Commission, led presently by a German woman, that "coordinates" the member countries. She is responsible for creating policy that the EU-country heads-of-state will vote upon. Which is called the EU "Council".

In that EU Council the majority vote wins. Each country has only one vote. But the practice of voting depends upon what is being voted. (For more clarification see here.)

So, the process is fully democratic but the above is only part of the democratic-structure in the EU. Because in fact the congressional-part of the EU is found in Strasbourg. Which is on the border-line between the French and German countries - and for good reason given where two WW's started historically. This EU parliament will take a bit of time to get used to voting on matters, but most legislation of pan-EU importance is indeed voted upon by the EU's "parliament" (or Congress).

When it came to Covid-19, the EU Commission (this non-elected body in Brussels) did not wait around for discussion about "what should we do"? The countries themselves KNEW THAT THEY HAD TO ACT TO PRESERVE LIVES. There was no "Donald Dork" in Europe telling everybody in February that Covid-19 was a "lark".

Which is the key reason that, when this is over and done (hopefully soon one day) the EU (446 million) will have fewer lives lost percentage-wise than Uncle Sam (328 million). See that viewable here: The Graphic Truth: Are new US COVID deaths surging vs EU? (Note that the death-count is a rolling figure and is NOT in percentage of population - which, after all, is the most meaningful of statistics.)

PS: So note that for the moment THERE IS NOT PERCENTAGE-OF-POPULATION FIGURES FOR COVID-19 DEATHS TO BE FOUND ANYWHERE ON THE INTERNET. If you find total deaths - EU vs US - in percentage of total-population please inform me here!

 

Blah, blah, bllah.

Now that you have defecated into a DEBATE Forum, perhaps you'd like to explain the above quoted one-liner brainless comment.

Iow, give REASONS for doing all you mention. You'll find that a LOT harder than just blathering one liners.

And, pray tell, why-in-hell is pederasty something in which the Federal government must involve itself. Do you really think it is a MENACE to the nation's well-being? I don't.

Each state must decide how to handle the problem. Enough of the nonsense ...

 

If you want to achieve something, you need to make priorities.
Education and Health Care are not the priorities for the Democrat party.
Their priorities are racial and gender wars, illegal immigration, pederasty.

 

There are lot of non scientific interference in the process.
1. Political (blame Trump)
2. Financial (pay for COVID-19 treatment and reporting).
3. Skewed statistics, reporting absolute numbers instead of relatives.
That is a hysteria.

 

Yes, this should be called Scamdemic.

 

Blah, blah, blah.

When you state what you think is a "fact", then prove it by substantiation here.

Otherwise, you are just farting-into-a-forum,and this one is smelly-enough as it is.

The dunce Rabid Right is the plague of America - dolts who barely made it beyond sixth grade ...

 

I do not have to prove anything. This is my opinion that is shared by many people, as a result Democrat party is losing.
But yes may be that is how system is designed, not to allow any party to win.

 

He says while deaths are going up.
We are 10 fold and going up compared to SARS, MERS, etc.

This is more along the lines of the Spanish Flu, 100 yrs ago.

 

We do not know that, because numbers are inflated.
Spanish Flu and COVID-19 are absolutely different animals.

 

Ya right. Fla gov, R DeSantis is inflating numbers.
Texas R gov Abbott is inflating numbers.
La R gov is inflating numbers.

Dismissed.

 

If Medicare pays for COVID-19 it is natural that number of cases will be greater.
Reporting has nothing to do with politicians.

 

Until you offer up proof. dismissed

 

you were dismissed long time ago, as a person who does not do basic internet search.

On April 10, HHS announced the immediate disbursement of the first $30 billion of the $100 billion that Congress allocated to hospitals, physicians, and other health care providers in the Public Health and Social Services Emergency Fund in the Coronavirus Aid, Relief and Economic Security Act, also known as the Provider Relief Fund.

If medical specialists get money for Coronavirus it is very natural that they report more cases.

 

Oh, REALLY?

First and foremost, our current situation demands that we do better against COVID. Our health, our standard of living, our competitiveness in the world, our economy depend on reducing COVID - like Europe has done. That's just a fact.

So, we have Trump fighting AGAINST education (both in terms of the science we know as well as ensuring all have educational opportunity) and AGAINST healthcare (both in terms of fighting the current threat and in terms of ensuring that Americans actually hae healthcare as a million a month are being added to tose with no coverage), to the detriment of every American now and into the future.

Fixing THAT has to be a top priority. Anything else is "happy talk" lies such as are all Trump has EVER had to offer on the subject.

And, there is NO justification for not fixing our system of policing at the same time. We can NOT tolerate a system of policing in which the population does not and justifiabley CAN not have trust and confidence.

If you want to discuss priorities going forward or what Democrats have pushed for in the past, I'll point out why you are totally wrong on that, too.

 

The ONLY sign of hysteria we have is that medical science is being ignored by this administration and that some Americans are uninformed enough to accept that world view.

 

Exactly...

We are in this for the long haul...

We will still be wearing masks NEXT Summer...

At least (by THEN) Our President (BIDEN) will actually have some credibility.

 

Amen.

Getting a working vaccine developed by the end of the year would be INSANE speed compared to all other vaccines.

At that point, the entire world is going to need to be vaccinated.

I've heard that even just making enough glass to hold the vaccine doses is a problem.

Today, we can't even produce test kits in numbers needed. We don't even have enough sterile swabs to administer the tests!

Beyond that, health workers and first responders need first crack, as do certain other groups.

As you point out, there is NO reason to believe that we won't be using public health methods to slow COVID into next year.


Like everyone else in America, I hope it will work out better than that. But, Trump is focused on ignoring COVID and that is just flat out insane.

So far, he's surrendering America.

 

1) Trump's FAILED Leadership (and Inaction in the Early Stages) will end up costing Hundreds of Thousands of Lives.

^That is a GIVEN

2) Even a BEST Case Scenario (for a Safe, Proven, Vaccine, developed at "Warp Speed") would be Mid-to-Late 2021.

^That is (also) a GIVEN.

3) Considering the "logistics" that you pointed out in dosing, distribution, etc:

It would be a MIRACLE if the USA could be anywhere near "normal" (in terms of the status quo ante) until Summer 2022.

Mask-Wearing may become a Permanent Part of American Life (even Post-Vaccine).

Anybody failing to understand the points made in this post is not realizing the massive implications of the COVID Threat.

 

Amen.

I notice that in some Asian cultures those who think they might be contagious were masks out of respect for others - not just now with COVID.

That kind of respect for others would certainly be appropriate.

Instead, we get FU Americanism - the pround assertion that caring for the wellbeing of other citizens is just too darn much to expect.

I would have thought a nation claiming to be Christian would not accept that.

 

Yes, sure but Democrats are not interested in improving health care system, they just talking about it. Priorities are racial/gender divide illegal immigration, pederasty.