Credit-card economics

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  1. rahl

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    I even linked you directly to it
     
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    Right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

    And the issue is that our current system consumes over 17% of GDP and that is by far the highest of any developed country and arguably delivers inferior results.
     
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    I know from personal experience we have some of the best quality health care in the World.
     
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    Personal experience is irrelevant. Particularly since I doubt you have significant experience with healthcare in other countries to compare with the US.

    I personally had major surgery in India that was very successful and cost about one sixth what it would have cost in the US.
     
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    Firstly my personal experiences are relevant to me. Secondly do you seriously compare the results of Indian cancer surgery, Indian eye surgery, Indian heart surgery with that in the US?

    Maybe if you earned your Money in India as Rupees your surgery would not have been cheap. Are you going to claim that rate of currency exchange was not a factor?
     
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    No currency exchange is irrelevant. And after major surgery in India came home and a year later had hernia surgery in America and in the American hospital got one of the antibiotic resistant infections that required twice a day IV treatment for two weeks.
     
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    The right to happiness is not in the Constitution
     
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    If you need eye surgery will you go to Johns Hopkins or India?

    I had a Hernia surgery a couple of months ago in America. Everything went great. Two cancer surgeries. Everything went great. Total remission from cancer. Two major orthopedic surgeries everything went great. Eye surgery (torn Retina) and everything went great. Major auto immune disease. Today, thanks to American medicine and big pharma, no symptoms whatsoever. When my kids were born they were about 2 pounds in weight delivered by C section. Off to the neonatal unit at Johns Hopkins. One by helicopter. Each child spent weeks a John Hopkins. Now they are 31 and 35 and in great health. Here in America, with the system you want to change, working a middle class job, I had no problem paying for or getting any of the above described treatment Now you want to change this system. Do you seriously claim in India health care like I describe happens for an ordinary Indian person? If you make that claim why are so many Indian professionals coming to America?

    Can you maybe see a little bit why I do not want our system to be changed.
     
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    Funny how the right to happiness provides a claimed justification to take money from one person and give it to another person.
     
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    You have good health insurance

    Liberal ideology wants everyone to get the same treatment whether they pay for it or not

    Meaning the ideal is for every person with cancer to live or die waiting in line for their treatment
     
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    Only because so many liberal voters are ignorant
     
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    What states don't have SS and Medicare?
     
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    But it is the first step. Gingrich and Kaisch has us there and Bush and the Republicans had us heading back there until he Democrats took back the Congress in 2007.
     
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    It was theoretical in a situation where medical care and pensions are left up to the states.
     
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    No, the Bush tax cuts in his first term took us back into deficits.

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    No once fully implemented they produced record revenue increases and a paltry $161B deficit in 2007. They were barely in place in 2003 and they passed a bill to accelerate the phase in and fully implement in 2004.
     
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    We’ve ignored the 10th Amendment for too long and it’s biting us in the butt.
     
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    No that wouldn't happen for an ordinary Indian citizen nor would it happen for a person in America without insurance and Trump is busy trying to get rid of protections for pre existing conditions.
     
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    There would have been a rather handsome surplus if we hadn't cut taxes.
     
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    How about " promote the general welfare" and I didn't say anything about the right to happiness.
     
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    Medicare? My father had to shell out another $150/month in Napa, CA just to get a primary care physician. He could afford it, but an extra $150/month is a budget buster for many people.

    I was born in California and naturalized in Canada. I use the Canadian system because it's better.
     
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    It is not part of the Articles within the Constitution
     
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    So the preamble doesn't count?
     
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    I have Medicare plus Blue Cross.
     
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    It used to be that people who worked had insurance. They also used to have real pension plans. Maybe the outsourcing of jobs that was supported by both parties was not such a good idea. I understand that people want to have insurance, but expecting the taxpayer to just provide free insurance for mass numbers of people including illegals is not realistic. I am also not opposed to helping people to some degree -- but we are over 22 Trillion in debt. Just saying the rich will pay for it (Bernie, Warren, et al) is an appeal to the low information voter. It the rich will pay for everything have the rich pay off the 22 Trillion debt and then we can talk.
     

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