critical race theory and the dwindling number of teachers

is crt "falsehoods?" i kind of agree that there are no seperate and distinct "races" of humans. some cats are calico, some are tuxedo. they don't seem to notice. african americans are genetically closer to their slave owning ancestors than to any african tribe.

 

Wow. You don’t see the category on behavior right next to the one on criticism? Fascinating.

You have claimed teachers are not quitting over behavior but are quitting over criticism instead. The NEA shows them EQUAL in their research as causes for concern.

You may not believe this, but in my profession if I don’t follow the law, yes, I end up in a courtroom. Wild, huh?

And my profession is criticized and misrepresented all the time. Adults don’t let criticism destroy them. We build on criticism and succeed. Both the criticism issue and the behavior issue could be solved immediately if there was desire to do so. This is all part of the bread and circuses American’s crave.

 

Yes CRT is false.

 

I explained, but it didn't sink in. The war on teachers is contributing to the #1 reason for quitting. Threating to cut funding and creating culture war laws which can land you in court for doing your job is a tad more than 'criticism'. Its basically the government saying F-U.

if the government created witch-hunt laws to make my job difficult to a point where I have to fear bankruptcy, I would probably move to another profession

Some adults don't mind being disrespected (being treated like a bitch), and others seek jobs where they are respected and appreciated. If you really need the money, you'll put up with anything, but if you have choices there is no point in letting people disrespect you. My wife held a job where she was disrespected and it had a major impact on her mental health, and it improved as soon as she walked out. Not everyone likes to take it in the rear.

 

It’s teacher’s job to break laws created through representative democracy? Interesting.

Contributing? LOL. You claimed it was the reason. Move those goal posts!

The FACT remains behavioral concerns are equal to the ones you cite according to the NEA.

Laws concerning what a state wants their children taught are not witch hunt laws. It’s democracy! If the teachers are NOT teaching what they are accused of they can easily end criticism by showing solidarity with their critics. If they wish to teach things prohibited by democratically crafted law they need to move somewhere that welcomes teaching the prohibited content. Just like any other profession. There is a big reason my business is in NE instead of CA. Because of state LAWS.

I’ve been assured teachers are not in it for the money. And teachers ARE respected and appreciated. Unless you are saying YOU don’t respect and appreciate teachers. I sure do. I’m going to call my 5th grade teacher today or tomorrow and thank him for his life’s work and what he did for me.

I seriously doubt there is a profession that doesn’t receive criticism. If you can’t handle the criticism specific to your profession you should probably leave. These whiny teachers have no business teaching if they can’t follow the law and handle criticism. How can a teacher who’s feelings are so hurt by criticism they want to quit going to effectively guide students through adversity like bullying etc.?

I’m sorry your wife took it in the rear so long. I’m also sorry you see criticism as sodomy. As I said, successful adults build on criticism. It doesn’t have to be all negative.

 

No, it doesn't. When you read the law get back to me.

 

Its your claim. Now you backtrack?
Thats funny

 

Backtrack where?

 

I'm not a lawyer, what good does reading the law do. I read the interpretation.
Are you one, cause if not you have no basis to deny what's been interpreted.

That's how the law has been interpreted, it allows parents to sue for allegations.

If you disagree, prove that teachers/districts are excluded from lawsuits, because I read it from a source you would never trust.

 

Did you need to be a lawyer to understand what this says?
authorizing a parent to bring an action against a school district to obtain a declaratory judgment that a school district procedure or practice violates certain provisions of law

You needed that interpreted for you? Pretty telling

 

That makes no sense.
How is a teacher not part of a district, even the word district agrees with my interpretation.

Yes you do need to be a lawyer to interpret that.
Or you could sound like you know what ur talking about, then crash and burn trying to defend yourself in a courtroom.

 

The real reason why teachers are leaving public and private schools is the lack of discipline among the students, especially in public schools, and safety for themselves that the school or school district fails to address while dealing with a small group of nutty parents with unreasonable demands, being extremely vocal, and on a few occasions, downright hostile. The CRT mess is just the straw that broke the camel's back.

None of the teachers I know in primary and secondary education come into this profession as an easy job. They don't do it for the money, although we, as Americans, don't pay teachers here like the rest of the OECD countries, Taiwan or China, or Asia in general.

In some states, they are powerful, such as California, New York, or Illinois. But in most of the states, they are not as powerful as you think they are. In Texas, they are not that powerful compared to local and state government employee associations. Most primary and secondary teachers do not have tenure, especially in at-will work states. What they do have is a permanent contract, usually awarded after three years of teaching, with annual evaluations each year to justify the permanent contract. That evaluation is based on their performance, the student's performance on end-of-year tests, if the state has one, and other factors. What usually happens is a recommendation for a continued permanent contract, termination of a permanent contract, modification of permanent contract, termination, reassignment, and so forth. Once the recommendation by the district is received, then the teacher can agree or dispute the recommendation. If disputed, each school district and state have their own protocols for dispute resolution.

https://www.cultofpedagogy.com/teachers-leaving/

https://www.governing.com/now/why-thousands-of-teachers-are-leaving-the-classroom

 

There is much truth in what you've written here, and I will certainly agree that there is a far greater problem caused by disinterested, unruly students than by disinterested, radical teachers. The parents often just lash out at teachers when there is no justification for doing so, and the whole situation goes from bad to worse.

We really should ask ourselves, "What do private schools get RIGHT that public schools get WRONG?" It's likely that a LOT of the answer can be learned by studying that question.

Aside: the country whose public schools are probably the best in the world is Germany. There, the focus is on the intelligence, the potential, and the proclivities of each individual student.

 

Which is why were are all grateful for judicial staff, attorneys and Judges who have attained the education level to know the difference between
bringing an action against a school district and bringing an action against an individual teacher so that those who have not acquired the level of education to know
the difference can be guided through the process.
Yes, YOU do need an attorney to know the difference.

 

No. You started the conversation about ending up in court for doing a job.

You brought up taking it in the rear. Not me.

LOL. I’m very suited to my job. And a little criticism doesn’t bother me because I’m a well adjusted adult. I can look at criticism and decide if it’s legitimate or illegitimate. The legitimate is used to better my business, the illegitimate is ignored going forward. Illegitimate criticism is usually a product of insecurity, unhappiness, or emotional pain in the critical person or demographic so I generally feel compassion for them. I hope your obsession with calling me a bitch isn’t the product of personal pain or dissatisfaction In your life. If it is you have my sympathy and good wishes.

No, it’s not over my head I’m just only interested in facts. I’m not interested in your opinions that conflict with information from the NEA etc. If you want to believe teachers are leaving the profession only because of criticism and not because of student behavior you have the right to. But since that belief conflicts with the evidence it is a waste of time trying to convince me false information is true because you wish it to be.

 

Yes, I mentioned things which were lost in you, which is why I said there is no point in continuing.

And you think this has something to do with you, and your personals experiences........see what I mean? Everything flew over your head.

Again you fail to comprehend. I gave a list of reasons (not only one reason), and none of them was about "criticism".

 

Too many examples of teachers outing themselves on tiktok for you to shrug off what's actually being taught and the damage that **** is going to do to our society for generations to come.

 

Uh-huh, still does nothing to alleviate teachers concerns.
Act like you don't need a lawyer to interpret law, someone could make a comedy about it.

Some people are smart enough to know what they don't know. It saves themselves alot of clean up later. I take it you are pretending you can interpret law now?

Let's also pretend what you claim is accurate for the purposes of the discussion...reprisal for a district being sued is still a concern.

 

I know the difference between bringing an action against a school district and bringing an action against an individual teacher.
But apparently (YOU) need a law degree to know the difference or a lawyer to tell you the difference.
The world must be a very confusing place for you.

 

Let's also pretend what you claim is accurate for the purposes of the discussion...reprisal for a district being sued is still a concern

 

A parent ONLY has the power to bring an action against a district (IF) the district school board is notified of a situation that is in violation, and the board refuses to react on it or fix it.
Had you read the bill you would have known parents can't bring actions against teachers and the process they must follow to being any action at all.

 

I'm pretty sure I said teacher/district....you keep mention district as if it makes the situation better for teachers.

A parent bring a false allegation, and the school reacts as if it's a false allegation..sounds like a lawsuit is next.

 

Here we go with the qanon crap.

 

No, you didn't. And you know you didn't

There is no provision in the bill to sue a teacher.

Then the parent would be wasting their money filing a lawsuit. Wouldn't they.