Dark cloud of illegitimacy hangs over Donald Trump’s pending presidency

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  1. ChiefSeattle

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    What is this, ultimate fail day for Republicans in math? So far, as I stated before, no one has addressed or have been able to address the voters who could not vote because of voter suppression? You will have to eat this argument every day for the next four years because everyone knows it is true. You are just another in a long line who doesn't have the stomach to challenge the facts. You are content to just wallow in the lies, and hide from the truth. These should be embarrassing times for the GOP. I'm even embarrassed that the country has lost everything it claimed it was about; https://onsizzle.com/i/im-embarrassed-to-live-in-a-country-where-donald-trump-3722156

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  2. ChiefSeattle

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    This has to be one of the most ridiculous, lame counter arguments I have ever heard. And by the way, you have proven just how weak your argument is by not addressing mine. That speaks for itself. Save the pity party for yourself. You will be needing it very shortly in a few months.
     
  3. ChiefSeattle

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    Oh but there is. When Santa King Trump presents his bucket of candy to all those Trump supporters after inauguration day, it won't be a bucket of candy he'll be handing out. :smile:
     
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    I see your pattern. You post nothing of substance, you just whine. You are on a streak - you lost with obama who failed to enact any of his campaign promises, you lost with Hilary, you lose constantly in this forum. Are you sure your ideology is not called "loserism"?
     
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    The p•ssy-grabbing Novelty Act is obviously a degenerate, lying lowlife, but he will be sworn in as the legitimate president on January 20.

    It doesn't matter how many more Americans preferred Clinton to lead the nation.

    It doesn't matter that the Russian spymaster used espionage to help elect the reality tv entertainer/political ingénue for his own sinister purposes and damage America.

    Malcontents can entertain lunatic notions that he was not born in the US, was madrasa-indoctrinated, and can mince around with photo-shopped images of him as an African witch doctor if they wish.

    None of those antics will impact the reality.

    As repugnant and embarrassing as it is to many, he'll be the next president.

    Let's have as good a time with that preposterous prospect as we can.


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  6. ChiefSeattle

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    I have posted at least ten different links associated with this argument that point to the truth with facts that no one has debunked. Your fabrications seem to be taking on a pattern of their own. If you are to keep up, may I suggest you start debunking the links with intelligent counter arguments, or the only one here looking like a loser is you.
     
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    You know we will.
     
  8. rammstein

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    Greg Palast -- New York Times, BBC, Guardian, F A K E N E W S


    I'll predict you will be eating more of the same. Failure.

    On the other hand, the new narrative for America will be success.

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  9. Colonel Dejon

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    well he does have a negative three million vote mandate, so there's that
     
  10. Woolley

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    3 million more Americans voted for Hillary than Trump. 3 Million Americans. This is a government by minority, there is no mandate, there is no consensus and there will be no peaceful transition to the Trump junta. Expect chaos.
     
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    Well said. Any time the left can devise a way to leverage chaos they will. They conveniently
    make up there own system as they go. That our electoral system has been in place for over
    200 years and has allowed peaceful and effective transfer of power is of no issue to them.
    They want to destroy that system.

    But IF Hillary had won the electoral college and lost the total popular vote they would
    be quiet as a church mouse about that right now.

    They cannot come to terms that the election was held with historical rules in place. If a different
    set of rules would have been in place then both candidates would have focused their campaign in view of those rules.

    BOTH Hillary and Trump were focused on winning the electoral college.

    There was a LOT of media verbiage in the press the weeks leading up the the election talking about that Trump could win the popular vote but he would surely lose the electoral college to Hillary. Of course this is all conveniently forgotten now.

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  12. CourtJester

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    Sorry, but just because the American people elected a Russian stooge doesn't make Trump illigitimate. The right to be stupid is one of the findamentals of our Democratic process.
     
  13. ArmySoldier

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    I'm sorry, what do you have against Russia? Obama laughed at Romney when he called Russia a threat. On live TV. Obama also told the Russians he'd be more "flexible after the election".

    What's your beef with them?

    You're against a working business relationship with a world power? Very anti American of you.
     
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    Well the " Drain the Swamp" narritive is clearly obsolete. What is the new one?
     
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    What do I have against Russia. Try Crimea and Syria and assasination of political opposition. Next question!
     
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    You have a problem with Crimea voting almost unanimously to leave Ukraine? Obama and Hillary helped drones world leaders' militaries and throw out the Libyan government. Hillary even bragged about it. And you have a problem with Trump trying to improve relations and drag us away from Democrat's cold war?
     
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    At the core of your message is that an American citizen in California is worth less than someone in a red state. This is what you are maintaining is an essential outcome of American politics. Admit it. You think you are more American than other Americans.
     
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    No. Neither your misdirection nor your claimed "right to be stupid" are what makes Trump an illegitimate POTUS. What does illegitimate him is the fact that he refuses to uphold or respect our Constitution and the laws of the land when they don't suit him. Trump is the very criminal that he lied about Hillary Clinton being. There's no room in our Constitutional government for criminals.

    Then there's the fact that Trump is the one who demanded that our legitimately elected President Obama produce all manners of things to prove his legitimacy, and when President Obama did, he still refused to abide by our Constitution's authority on the matter and continued to call the President illegitimate. And then when he ran for President, Trump provided none of the things that he demanded of the real POTUS.

    I could go on and on enumerating the many ways that Trump has utterly failed to legitimize himself, but first and foremost among them is the fact that he is already taking gifts from foreign governments, including the gift of espionage from despotic Russia.
     
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    Hillary won the popular vote in the state of California and won it's 55 electoral votes.

    Trump won the popular vote in the state of Texas and won it's 38 electoral votes.

    Fill in this sequence for ALL the states and then add up the total of electoral votes won by each candidate. Then add them up. If one has 270 or more they are the President of the United States.

    It is possible that if you add up all the popular votes won by each candidate that the winner of the electoral college could have less overall popular votes than the candidate who did not reach 270 electoral votes.

    This is AXIOMATIC and is known by every person in the WORLD that understands that we are NOT a pure democracy but a Republic. Known historically for over 200 years world wide.

    It is obvious that Hillary Clinton and many of her supporters still have a massive lead in the Great State of Denial. This is a imaginary State that exists only in the minds of Marxist leftists. We hope that they eventually abandon this State of Mind and become Americans that are sworn to uphold the Constitution of the United States.

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    Hillary + 2,864,974

    helluva a Trump mandate, eh?
     
  21. ChiefSeattle

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    See what I mean? You show me nothing as a counter to the facts. Why such a weak showing from the Right on this?
    Could it be I am right? You bet your sweet (*)(*)(*) I'm right. And you folks have nothing to drown those facts out with.

    This has been like shooting fish out of a barrel and you people are totally helpless to debate the truth I presented.

    Sort of puts a real label on who and what the Right have become. When you massage support for a human being who has done nothing in his life but buck the system illegally, promote racism, xenophobia, spouted off the most vial comments about women, along with dozens of other despicable acts and comments, you all are no better than he is. So, good luck with that. You're going to need it.
     
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    And that doesn't count the millions purged, couldn't vote because there weren't enough polls, voting machines were turned off, and other voter suppression schemes.
     
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    Hillary lost.
    Get over it.
    Move on.

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    Incorrect - there is nothing you can do about the fact Trump will be President on 21 JAN 2017.
    Nothing.

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    This is correct. Well said.
     
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    Let me fix that for you:
    Trump +77
    You're welcome.
     
  25. Durandal

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    Enough of this "illegitimacy" lunacy.

    Presidential Candidate VP Candidate Political Party Popular Vote Electoral Vote
    William Clinton Albert Gore Jr. Democratic 44,909,806 43.01% 370 68.8%
    George Bush J. Danforth Quayle Republican 39,104,550 37.45% 168 31.2%
    H. Ross Perot James Stockdale Independent 19,743,821 18.91% 0 0.0%

    Bill won in 1992 with only 43.01% of the popular vote. It's important to remember that our presidential races are NOT just two-way, 1 vs 1 races. Other candidates get votes also, hence one candidate can win the Electoral College with a pretty small majority, even less than 50% of the electorate voting in their favor. In fact, Hillary Clinton only got 48.05% of the popular vote, while Donald Trump got 45.96%. Write-ins and other third parties and independents took a total cut of 6%.

    http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/

    Time to move on already. :deadhorse:
     

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