David Koch, billionaire businessman and influential GOP donor, dies

Which environmental groups and how much?

And I'm not deflecting from anything. All the information I've given is footnoted and documented both in Dark Money interviews with investigative journalist Jane Mayer and all the other links.

Clearly you do not understand what a tax dodge is or how much money the Koch's put into buying politicians and financing their political agenda.

 

So someone gives millions to a charity and you complain because they did it just as a tax write off? Wow

 

Nevertheless, the money still came out of the Koch brothers pockets to support issues you may also support. Do you oppose charitable donations?

 

No. I'm saying that the amount he gave as tax right offs was nothing compared to the billion or so he poured into buying politicians, funding the tea party lunacy and other extremist radical right wing groups. He was far and away the biggest donor to thinks tanks and their spin-offs that acted to confuse the public on the scientific reality of climate change.

100 million to some charity was chump change to Koch - a tax dodge or an attempt to deflect all his negative PR.

Did you watch any of the vids or read any of the links I provided upthread before commenting?

 

Nice try at strawman deflection. You know perfectly well what I oppose. Did you watch any of the videos or read any of the links I provided?

 

there is nothing wrong with funding politicians that allow you to provide energy to the country. In fact any support of politicians that are against that are suicidal.

 

that isn't the strong man a strong man is where someone misrepresents your argument then attacks the misrepresentation or man of straw that they made as though it was your argument.

You don't know what these words mean don't use them.

 

You mean like misrepresenting that I don't like charitable donations??????

And it's strawman.

 

He did make charitable donations to the hospital that treated Ruth bader ginsburg's cancer. So without that money it's possible that she would no longer be with us.

That's not a straw man. Do you support tooth bader Ginsburg? I think she's an admirable figure even though I might disagree with her politics. And it was money donated by the Koch brothers that funded cancer research.

Money you gave the Koch brothers in exchange for fossil fuels.

 

No body is saying they didn't donate money to charitable causes.

It is the other billions or so they used to fund radical right-wing libertarian think tanks and vast sums on politicians and organizations involved in lying to confuse the public as to the science behind climate change that is the issue.

Feel free to actually watch some of the videos or links I provided especially the Jane Mayer, Dark Money ones, that document the Koch's direct funding efforts to subvert science and buy political influence if you feel you would like to add something of substance rather than feeding the strawman declections.

 

he was one of the good rich people like President Trump

David created many good paying jobs in the energy industry for the poor.

 

or they're doing it to combat propaganda against petroleum which seems to be the entire basis of the climate change debate.

And it's uncanny how it's a partisan it's almost like Democrats are going after Republican funding over political reasons do using their financial influence to confuse the public as to the science behind climate change.

What you think isn't automatically right because you think it. That's referred to is lack of personal awareness.

who made the video? Which post is it Linked in?

 

Let the dead rest in peace.

 

Why give money to left wing npr just for the tax break? Lots of other places they could have got the same break

 

Relatively new still under a year maybe 6 months or so. Most things are just people with really strong "feelings" about something where as this is the death of an individual.

 

Opinions are like golf swings

Some are better than others

 

Neither of us will be around in 100 years to say “I told you so”

Which is why liberal doomsday predictions are always placed so far in the future.

 

Why?

 

What radical right wing think tanks? Name them

 

Dependent on what?

 

Here's more:

 

But you're OK with Soros doing that?

 

It says clearly.... fossil fuel.

The Netherlands are going to make 1 windmill that large that it can power 15.000 houses.
A blade will be longer than a football field. And the Koch's are the opposite of that.
They rather go back to the time we traveled with a coal /steam engines. lol

 

The Kochs are the epitome of 'The rich influencing politics'. They set up one of the biggest and most interconnected funding networks for conservative groups that exists. They turned the grassroots Tea Party who's focus was on Debt and Deficits into an astro-turfed organization that only focused on the Conservative Talking Points of the day (notice there aren't anymore Tea Party Protests over Debt and Deficits anymore?)

I wonder how the funding network will hold up with at least one Brother gone, and likely the other in the next decade.

 

As an American, how can you be so uninformed about the vast network of money that goes into corrupting your political process? Are you really this misinformed or are you playing some kind of Own a Lib game?

Its starts out with Americans for Prosperity and funnel money through private, anonymous donor organizations like Donors Trust and Tc4 Trust and then vast sums of money make it through different foundations and think tanks such a the Cato Institute or the Heritage Foundation and from there goes to fund various extreme right-wing organizations that spread de-regulatory and LIbertarian propaganda including by far the vast sums to the climate change denial industry through organizations like The Heartland Foundation and then from there to almost anyone who wants to start a blog or spread disinformation about climate change. Even their donations to universities are funding right-wing Libertarian policy in various business schools such as George Mason or Uof U.

Just in case you really are this unacknowledged and are not just playing games, I'll spell it out for you:

"George Mason renamed its law school after the late Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia after receiving a donation of $10 million from the Koch brothers and $20 million donated via the Koch-funded Federalist Society, which also vets conservative lawyers and judges for appointment to federal courts.)

Koch donations to academic institutions typically come with ideological blinders attached, as when the University of Utah accepted a $10-million donation from the Charles Koch Foundation to establish a free-market economics program to counter the ostensibly Marxian bent of the university’s economics department.

The Koch network funds organizations such as the State Policy Network and the American Legislative Exchange Council, which promote conservative legislation, such as tax cuts, deregulation and “stand your ground” firearms laws at the state level.

The Koch network’s enduring concern has been the regulation of fossil fuels to address climate change. As Leonard observes in his just-published book “Kochland: The Secret History of Koch Industries and Corporate Power in America,” these regulations struck at the heart of the natural resources business of Koch Industries, the brothers’ closely held corporation.

“The Kochs have built kind of an assembly line to manufacture political change,” Mayer said in her radio interview. “It includes think tanks, which produce papers. It includes advocacy groups, that advocate for policies. And it includes giving money to candidates.” On all three fronts, she stated, they push climate change denial.

In coming days, no doubt we’ll be reading about all the issues on which David Koch, his brother and their comrades in arms have exerted influence for their benefit and at the expense of ordinary people. Let’s not overlook that the financial machine they created also prompted the creation of a financial machine in opposition to their interests. The total effect is to create an electoral system awash with self-interested money, with no countervailing pressure in sight."

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2019-08-23/david-kochs-legacy-dark-money-network





https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...hers-massive-political-network/?noredirect=on

https://projects.propublica.org/graphics/koch

The Koch's spent 900M on influence peddling and promoting right-wing interests in the 2016 election alone.

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She added: “What they’ve done is kind of a magic trick. They’ve attracted around them — they’ve purposefully built what they call an unprecedented network ... about 400 other extraordinarily wealthy conservatives with them to create a kind of a billionaire caucus.”

The harvest of the Koch brothers’ innovation is an American political system that lies supine at the feet of moneyed interests. The majority of lawmakers and presidents no longer even pay lip service to the idea of getting money out of politics or — perhaps more important — ending the secrecy that cloaks the identities of contributors to the torrent of cash. Why is Washington unable to pass legislation to fight climate change or eradicate the lethal gun culture, despite clear evidence that a majority of ordinary Americans are desperate to see action? Because big money is on the other side, and the Koch brothers were among the pioneers."