Death Penalty: What % of innocent deaths is acceptable?

Like I said. I have no problems with the death penalty in theory. And if we can be assured that someone is 100% guilty, fry them. Im fine with it.

 

The death penalty defines the US as a third world country, along with places like Iran.

 

Other, other being none. I suspect most of the others are too.

Unfortunately that is is not really an argument against the death penalty but just an argument for being very careful with it. If an innocent still dies and this comes to light that is 'not acceptable' and somebody should lose their job or get a written reprimand or something. That won't help Joe Schmo who just went out for a pack of the new and legal Virginia Trips for his gf and ended up in Old Sparky but that's life in the Land of the Free.

Here in MD one of our last dp cases was a guy named, quite aptly, John Thanos. He killed two innocent teenagers in a convenience store because he wanted to die but didn't have the guts to do it himself. As the height of irony the reason he wanted to die was because he thought he was going back to prison. The children he killed would still be alive today if we didn't have a death penalty back then. One has to wonder how many other dp cases were this "suicide by courtroom" and thus you have the dp CAUSING murder instead of deterring it.

The Death penalty is silly, counterproductive and shouldn't be, but it makes conservatives feel "tough" to be for it, so, like guns, it's going to be popular for a while.

 

Zygote aren't babies, they aren't even human beings. The Lord puts the soul in at the moment of birth, that's why the baby cries.

Now go get back under your bridge, adults are talking

 

Gee did the Lord tell you that? Must be nice to have a private line to the man. If they aren't human beings, how can you be charged with murder for killing one during the commission of a felony?

It must be tough when you lose the ability to think for yourself. How does it feel to have a politician tell you what you need to believe?

 

A priest told me that. What crime you can be charged with for what is a secular manner, who has a soul is religious, and most states don't have in the womb murder unless the fetus is not abortable, until then even the courts say it's a zygote.

Do they send Trumpistas their instructions through the MAGA hat and where can I get one. I hear they're going to be collector's items after 2018

 

Yeah, a priest told you that. Better try again. But a liar will always lie, won't they. Here is the Catholic Church stand on abortion.

Catholic Church and abortion. The Catholic Church opposes all forms of abortion procedures whose direct purpose is to destroy a zygote, blastocyst, embryo or fetus, since it holds that "human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception.

As far as crimes against a fetus. Here is a link to the laws.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unborn_Victims_of_Violence_Act

 

0%. The death penalty should be abolished. It's barbaric.

 

I agree it needs to be 0%. But this poll is for people who believe in the death penalty as a punishment.

Which even I have stated that I agree with it in theory, but in practice, can never support it because there is absolutely no way to make sure innocents dont get executed.

 

1 innocent person executed is too many

 

Don't forget Japan, Taiwan, and Singapore.

The reason "First World" countries are associated with so many things is probably because the majority of them are "White", either English-speaking or located in Western Europe. And that could also potentially help explain why the U.S. is an outlier in many respects among First World countries, since its population is far less homogeneous than all the other First World countries.

There are several muslim countries that are wealthy as well (oil money) that are nevertheless very backwards and barbaric with respect to many social issues. (Saudi Arabia executed a woman for practicing witchcraft in 2011, for example. They chopped off her head.)

You seem to be specifically trying to compare the U.S. to other White countries, which is very unfair, for reasons already stated.

As a Socialist, you can't have it both ways. You either have to admit that the U.S. compares pretty well to other countries in the world, or admit that English & Western European countries are better and more successful.

 

What percentage of innocent children, women and men should be murdered to assure no innocent person is ever executed?

 

If there is a serial killer on the loose and they have already killed 30 victims, and we have a suspect who we believe has a 25% chance of being that serial killer, should we keep them in prison?

 

I'm in favour of capital punishment too, but only when supported by a combination of some, or all of the usual means of identification, viz., from DNA, circumstantial evidence, motive, cctv, or eye-witness accounts, can provide that 100% proof of guilt which you want?

 

What percentage of people who die in prison were actually innocent? I guarantee you its more than 0%.

Is this not the same thing except you go after 50 years in prison instead of 15?

Hey, theres somewhere to start - maybe execute them within a year Max.

 

While all of these things are great and dandy, and in a perfect world, this would be more than sufficient. But there has been corrupt police officers who have planted "evidence" in the past to link people to a killing. Things like that. So even if we have all of those things, its still not 100% proof. There ( at least in my mind ) never can be,

 

Nicholas Cruz walked into a school in Parkland Florida and shot 34 people, killing 17 of them. Does he deserve the death penalty?

 

The US government has massacred hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women and children in the fake war on terror. Do those responsible deserve the death penalty?

 

Are you referring to the terrorist who assisted in crashing hijacked planes into the Pentagon and Twin Towers? Are you referring to the ideologues who fought to protect those conspirators? If so the answer is yes? Anyone who thinks they can attack a country as powerful as America then hide in the desert is to stupid to live. That is Darwin's theory.

 

Do you have a serious reading comprehension problem? What don't you understand about the massacre of innocent men, women and children? If you still don't get it google a dictionary.

 

Collateral damage. Sh*t happens when you start a war. When you hide and operate out of residential neighborhoods, bad things are going to happen. If you want sympathy don't herd your people into human shields or strap bombs on children and send them to die.

 

Yeah hundreds of thousands of innocent people murdered is "collateral damage" to your propaganda infested indoctrinated mind. You are seriously delusional.

 

Someone is delusional and it is not me. Show me this source for "hundreds of thousands of innocent people murdered". Those killed by terrorists car bombers and slaughtered by your ISIS brothers do not count.

 

Don't start a war, hiding behind innocent people.
And BTW, how do you know they are innocent.

 

Everyone is innocent unless and until proven otherwise by a valid court of law. That's basic American legal doctrine taken from English common law. Are you an American or not? Regardless, do you believe all the children murdered were guilty of something? Genocide/war crimes do not discriminate.