Death Penalty: What % of innocent deaths is acceptable?

You're right. it's more likely millions if you include Vietnam war crimes.

 

Sounds like you would be happier if you left America,

I know we would be.

 

It sounds like you have no clue what it is to be an American. You also failed to answer my question.

 

I've been one since 1949, but I may have missed something.
I didn't see a question.

 

Millions murdered now but still no source. Nothing but hot air. Hot air is only good for balloons or possibly buffoons.

 

It works great in clothes dryers, advancing catalysts , drying paint, lots of uses.

 

Seems to be plenty of it on this board.

 

Yes you missed everything, 69 years worth. A true American is a compassionate human being who believes in the philosophy established in our founding document and as an extension, the Constitution. Try reading these documents sometime Mr. "American". A true American is not a genocidal bloodthirsty savage.

Sorry, it was posed to another poster.

You missed the point of my question and you're obviously trying to evade it by getting into the semantics of the number of casualties in these fake wars. Would it be better for you if it was only 50,000 innocent people massacred? How about 10,000? Do these lesser numbers make it any less of a war crime? Answer the question. I'll re-phrase it for the reading comprehension challenged.

Should only individual murderers/serial killers be executed and war criminals get a free pass because they are in positions of power in the US government?

https://www.wired.com/2011/06/afghanistan-iraq-wars-killed-132000-civilians-report-says/
https://sites.tufts.edu/atrocityendings/2015/08/07/vietnam-vietnam-war/

But I'm sure you're savvy enough to be able to use google to get that information yourself, perhaps you're not.

 

49%

 

So in your world an American citizen is not a true American and the concept of American citizenship is bogus.

Those are the "ideals" of the founders and every American who follows those ideals. I take it you're not one of those.

 

I entirely take your point, but there are always bad apples in any barrel, and laws can't be formed around one bad apple when there are ten thousand good ones?

 

The only justification of the death penalty is that it deters murders; it doesn’t and never has. So, the act of the death penalty is purely based in vengeance. Agree with that and you agree with State murder.

 

It's only good if it is , swift, public, and gruesome.

 

+1

 

You appear to be the one who is comprehension challenged. Try reading your own sources. The first clearly states nearly all the civilian casualties were due to insurgents. The second clearly states most of the civilian casualties were due to murders carried out by Viet Cong and the NVA.

In both those conflicts the US hammered the murdering slime that was perpetrating these horrible acts. The world is lucky to have a country like the USA who stands up to these murders.

 

I believe the 7th calvary of the 1800's were true Americans.

 

Not one innocent life lost is acceptable. That is why we cannot risk murderers to be re admitted into society.

 

and the indigenous people of the Deer Creek Massacre were true Americans.

 

At the time they were not a part of America, and would not ne considered Americans.

 

Probably citizenship, is what makes you an American.

 

The four men responsible for this massacre were hanged. Is that justifiable?

 

I'm against the death penalty mostly but there has been a couple of events that have made me think for certain extreme crimes where there is no doubt. It might be justifiable.

The problems is who decides what is justifiable! And where there is no doubt.

 

First what most people don't understand is that a jury must be unanimous for the death penalty to be applied. Judges are required by law to poll the jury to make sure there are no dissenters.

Second, an inmate on death row is there an average of 18 years. Most have a total of 6 to 8 appeals. So if in that many appeals, you cannot convince one person of your innocence, then yes you are guilty, and the system has done it's due diligence.

I did a case study of two German brothers who were on death row in Arizona...the German govt tried to say that the US could not execute because they were not citizens. These two stabbed a bank manager 56 times because he could not unlock the safe that had a time lock on it. So imagine that you are this guy being stabbed, the agony and terror over a circumstance you had no control over. I say the needle was to easy on them.

 

That is true but not according to the rhetoric of Progressives that claim they are the only "true Americans".