Death total surpasses 2020

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  1. dairyair

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    To me, it was his inability to unite the country around a common major enemy. The virus.
    Something to unite us all to fight against, instead he used it for further division.

    IMO, that was the biggest factor in his losing.
     
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    PURE HOGWASH!
    Tramp accounts for over 600,000 deaths, Biden under 100,000.
     
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    Not if one actually uses real numbers.
     
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    Biden's death tally for 2021 will soon outgrow deaths in 2020 by 20%, but I don't it has happened yet. Deaths will certainly be very high in December as northern states with highly vaccinated populations are starting to see cases and deaths accelerate (ME, NH, VT, MI, NY, CA). But let's clear a few things up about who's responsible for 2020. Fauci F-ing funded it without informing anyone, and he was clearly involved with projects that mutated the virus so it could be more infections. Big Tech and Media Censorship on behalf of China and WHO, Fauci and WHO incompetence in believing the virus couldn't transmit human-to-human, and the European Liberal partyies' refusal to halt travel and schengen border policies caused the most deaths around the world. At a certain point 90% of cases in South and North America could be tracked back to Europe, and their migration policy has created a huge mess in Ukraine and other eastern European states. We can also blame Cuomo's nursing home policy that was praised by Fauci and practiced by many other states for an additional 100k deaths. And let's not forget the Democrats and their accomplices in the media wouldn't take the virus seriously because they were too busy impeaching the President. The Democrats were divisive throughout the entire situation, charing Trump and DeSantis for lying about Covid-19 numbers and supplies, while ignoring Murderer Cuomo's illegal submission of false data to the DOJ to hide the fact that his policies killed people at nursing homes that he shielded from liability.

    Left-wingers in Europe are panicking over the failure of the vaccinations as a safeguard against Covid-19. They are currently looking into monoclonal antibody therapy, in addition to other biologics that can be taken orally, as a remedy/cure against Covid-19 that provides additional benefits from other illnesses and protects the immunocompromised that have Asthma, hearth conditions, cancer, diabetes, COPD, etc. There's a reason that everyone, including Pelosi, is moving to Florida. They have the best Governor in the country, and DeSantis has led the way in providing a more balanced approach between economics and pandemic safety policies while allowing for an alternative treatment that is now becoming the standard for treating both old and immunocompromised vaccinated and unvaccinated patients.

    Since Covid-19 popped up, Democrats have stopped at nothing to turn themselves into a complete F-ing joke with deranged individuals that want to force feed moronic policies that have deepened the countries economic turmoil and racial divisions. They are such habitual and unapologetic liars who create so many more problems without even solving one that voters by large margins would now rather vote for Trump in a head-to-head against Biden, because at least that the old boss could solve some of the problems and, you know, talk in public without F-ing up what's written on a teleprompter. And at least sometimes Trump will tell major truths like "Covid-19 came from a lab in China", and the Democrats and media will just continue lying and lying until they're narrative is embarrassingly laughable.
     
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    I may have phrased that badly. Trump was president in 2020 with no vaccinations and less Covid knowledge. With Biden president in 2021, having vaccines, and having more Covid knowledge, Biden has more deaths in 2021 than Trump had in 2020.
     
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    I already addressed this in my previous post.
     
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    Still not true. Tramp was president in Jan 2021 with 429,874 dead the day Tramp left office and 8,832,292 active cases with a 2% death rate which adds 176,646 more deaths to Tramp's total giving him a grand total of 606,520 deaths under his watch and not counting the anti-vaxers who have died under his influence since.
     
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    You'd still be wrong. See my post to you.
    trump time in office as of Jan 20,2021 is 434,000. And there were virtually no deaths until April of 2020. 10 months of trump in office. For Biden to pass trump, it needs to get to 868,001. And as of 11/22/21, that was also 10 months.
    The death count was 796,000 on 11/22/21.
    What do you think each president did to have such high numbers? What should they have done differently?

    But the OP was only referring to calendar year, not president time in office.

    April 1 was when deaths started to take note. 9 months of 2020 deaths.
    It took 11.5 months of 2021 to surpass 2020 deaths. With the country and schools largely open for business.

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    Ummmmmmmm, that is true. More people have died of the virus in 2021 before the year is even done compared to all of 2020 and that is with vaccines and increased knowledge. And just read this a little while ago:

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/scientists-closely-tracking-covid-19-142722073.html
     
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    So, Biden united us?
     
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    No, I would still be right. With both vaccines and increased knowledge, virus deaths are higher in 2021 before the year is even done than in 2020.
     
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    Biden has blood on his hands.And crap in his drawers.
     
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    No, but he didn't make a hobby out of dividing us further like Trump did. Trumps presidency was 100% founded on "divide and conquer" which is all about playing citizens against each other. That is the very reason why he was fired after one term.
     
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    If you strip away all BS, you’d see that Trump was elected because people were getting tired of political correctness and increasing anti-white racism. Now they got Biden and the epidemic of woke.
    Instead of moderating, liberals doubled down.
    That’s far from uniting. In fact, if next several elections won’t correct the course, I’m afraid this country will have poor long term prognosis. Trump caused a lot of embarrassment to almost all conservatives over the time of his presidency, but democrats just fail to see the root cause of his success - blaming and demonizing whites for everything and inventing concepts of white privilege.
    You cannot unite this country when you promote CRT, which divides kids into racial groups from the early age.
    You cannot unite this country when you demonize people who legitimately question the wisdom of a widespread use and mandates of vaccines that were developed with technology that was not tested with time like all other vaccines.
    You cannot unite this country when the mass media that supports one side chooses to ignore issues that people with opposing views feel like should be widely discussed.
    You cannot unite this country when a president openly violates the constitution and Supreme Court rulings.

    We are witnessing massive migration in this country and a very large segment of population with a singular political view is moving in one direction. If liberals don’t stand up to their own excesses, the cultural divide between southern and northern states will continue to grow at accelerating pace, which will ultimately lead to a point where a population of one state will struggle to find common values with population of another, which will in turn lead to split. I was born and raised in another country and have seen numerous historic and contemporary examples of how this can lead up a full breakup of the country with all ending up with quality of life significantly worse than before. How can you not see it? This is killing me!
     
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    Seems to me that the idea of injecting **** into your body is a very personal and private decision for some individuals. (republican and democratic alike) It should be between them and their doctor and nobody else. And Biden isn't having any luck "uniting the country" around any ****ing thing. And that's why he's trying now to be heavy handed and authoritarian with his ****ing mandates. And I say that having gotten both shots so far.

    The vaccine, like most things, should never have been politicized. You can thank the main stream news for that one. But...yet another bullshit narrative by the left to criticize Trump on falls to the way side.

    Color me shocked.

    You did solve the mean tweets issue though. I'll grant progressives that one!

    Let's go Brandon!
     
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    I wanted to add to my post above.
    I lived in northern states for 20 years. I’ve heard numerous times that in Texas, people who live there calls themselves Texans first and Americans second. I could never understand why. After just 1 year of living in Florida I understood why - when we talk with friends and relatives who live in northern states and hear them describe their every day lives you see that their rules are startlingly different from ours and these differences are growing at accelerating pace. Now, even going to a restaurant is a very different experience between us and them. When you hear foreign mass media describe everyday living in the US in generalized terms they are quite often very different from what we are experiencing in Florida.
    It’s beginning to feel like we are Floridians, not much Americans. Just like the description I’ve heard of Texas many years ago. This diversion is extremely dangerous to integrity of this nation, which I love as if I was born here, and really hope people who are in power of making a change will wake up and change our trajectory before it gets too late.
    Why can’t we get back to the good old days of debating minimum wage, our foreign wars, and other everyday issues peacefully and with respect? This country was doing so great just recently!
     
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    That's strange because people cried and whined about anti-white racism like never before while he was president. All of a sudden populist republicans started seeing themselves as victims and you never heard the end of it. Why? Because they were told that they are victims. It was mass hysteria by design, and it stuck because they still suffer from the victim mentality. I have never seen so much whining, and its all coming from the who supported Trump.

    I never said Biden is a uniter or anything else. He accomplished his duty the day Trump lost the elections. Like I said, people voted for him only to get Trump fired.
     
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    What did you expect, PL? They are the same people that claim there is NO evidence of discrimination against non-white people. Now, that they feel unheard, dismissed and marginalized, we're all supposed to stand with them and give a damn. It's ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS a double-standard. ALWAYS.
     
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    Yes. Look at them talk about the incident in WI where the guy rammed his SUV into the parade. He is is a killer and is going away for life, but they INSIST it was a race related hate crime, although there is no evidence of it being such. Yet at the same time they can't stop complaining about others calling Rittenhouse a racist (which he was not).
     
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    Yes, that's how the roll. Babbitt has been held up as some of saint but any black or brown person who is killed for disobeying a direct order from a law enforcement officer "deserved" it for not complying. Remember that black woman that killed in her own house in her own bed when the cops busted into the wrong home? NOT a drop of sympathy or empathy for that. She was black so it's all good. And, they gloss over the fact that if even a fraction of the number of people that scaled the Capitol walls and broke windows and beat cops were NOT white, I bet more than one of them would have been shot down with NO hesitation.

    It's sick, toxic and dysfunctional on every level.
     
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    Food for thought.

    More vaccination = less death
    Less vaccinations = more death

    I do not recommend mandates, but I do recommend vaccinations. Unless you hate life of course.

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    Cool! Now do one for diet and heart disease!
     
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    Might want to check out Vermont. They aren’t done with delta.
     
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    You would be correct if you didn't throw each president in office into it.
    But you were conflating 2020 vs 2021 and tried to attribute it to each president.
    Which changes dates.

    Remember, deaths didn't really start in USA until April 1. 9 months of 2020. Vs 11.5 months of 2021.
     

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