Debt Cities

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by bricklayer, Feb 16, 2020.

  1. bricklayer

    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2011
    Messages:
    8,898
    Likes Received:
    2,751
    Trophy Points:
    113
    That's wonderful. No one is poor because someone else is wealthy, and no one is skinny because someone else is fat.
     
  2. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2017
    Messages:
    45,156
    Likes Received:
    12,609
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Workers need good learning skills so they're ready to reinvent themselves. Electric cars are the coming thing.
     
  3. BestViewedWithCable

    BestViewedWithCable Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2010
    Messages:
    48,288
    Likes Received:
    6,966
    Trophy Points:
    113
    That must be why they wont include the question on the census.....

    but hey, lets pretend...
     
  4. Quantum Nerd

    Quantum Nerd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2014
    Messages:
    18,234
    Likes Received:
    23,812
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Economics is the theory behind scarce resource allocation. Seems like in your opinion, scarcity doesn't exist? We should all be wealthy then.
     
  5. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2017
    Messages:
    45,156
    Likes Received:
    12,609
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    That's not why putting a question about citizenship in the census is a bad idea.
    Exactly what you're doing.

    There is no way half of California residents are illegal. But no matter how many illegals they have, a number beside the point, we need to do more about illegal immigration. A national ID card modeled on the Nexus Pass, readable with a smartphone, would allow us to insist every employer, even those hiring domestics or day labor, employ only those legally entitled to work. Employers who violate the law? A nasty fine. Repeatedly violate the law? Jail.

    Enough red herrings.
     
    Last edited: Feb 19, 2020
  6. Texas Republican

    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2015
    Messages:
    28,121
    Likes Received:
    19,405
    Trophy Points:
    113
    My mother-in-law worked for the state of Louisiana from the week she graduated high school at age 18 until she was 43 (25 years). Then she retired and collected half of her salary for the rest of her life. She is now 77 years old. So she's been collecting half of her salary for 34 years, and that may go on another 20 years.

    That is not possible in the private sector. It's not surprising the Tea Party and others don't like bloated government.
     
  7. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2017
    Messages:
    45,156
    Likes Received:
    12,609
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    It is indeed possible to have pensions like your mother-in-law's. It depends upon who puts what amount into the pension fund.
     
  8. Texas Republican

    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2015
    Messages:
    28,121
    Likes Received:
    19,405
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Taxpayers shouldn’t have to pay for government retirement plans much nicer than anything found in the private sector.
     
  9. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2017
    Messages:
    45,156
    Likes Received:
    12,609
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Solution: Give public sector employees control of the pension funds with the understanding that's all they get.
     
  10. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2009
    Messages:
    38,937
    Likes Received:
    14,957
    Trophy Points:
    113
    They are? How do you know that? Are all rural dwellers farmers? I can answer that. I'm a rural inernet businessman that doesn't farm
     
    557 likes this.
  11. bricklayer

    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2011
    Messages:
    8,898
    Likes Received:
    2,751
    Trophy Points:
    113
    See my thread, in this section, on how to make something free.
     
  12. wist43

    wist43 Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2010
    Messages:
    3,285
    Likes Received:
    1,313
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Government workers are bloated parasites, and given that they donate heavily to the Democratic Party - the relationship is highly incestuous.

    Regular working folk (Republicans) are the suckers who are forced to pay - the operative word being forced.
     
  13. ronv

    ronv Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2018
    Messages:
    20,312
    Likes Received:
    8,774
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Not all.

    Many young Americans leave home and never return. In particular, this trend can be seen in rural America. 1,350 counties “non-metro” counties have lost population since 2010.[1] Since the mid 1990s, rural population growth has been significantly lower than urban areas.

    ------------

    Rural areas lack academic and economic opportunity compared to metropolises. Because of this, a large portion of migrants are talented high school graduates. This cause-effect relationship, known as “brain drain,” robs rural areas of intellectual capital.

    ---------------
    Shifting industry characteristics explains a large part of migration. Farming, logging, and mining populate the rural employment sector. Unfortunately, the sector’s reliance on human capital shifted to automation, outsourcing, and foreign direct investment. The industry’s evolution into today’s technology dominated economy left rural inhabitants jobless.

    https://publicpolicy.wharton.upenn.edu/live/news/2393-rural-america-is-losing-young-people-
     
  14. bricklayer

    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2011
    Messages:
    8,898
    Likes Received:
    2,751
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The largest public sector parasites are lobbyists and public sector unions.
     
  15. spiritgide

    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2016
    Messages:
    20,411
    Likes Received:
    16,306
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    Something to consider; there are many changes that have affected the farm community over the last 40-50 years. There are no "family farms" anymore, because you can't support a family on 160 acres. There are fewer "farmers per acre" than their once was, and that has reduced their clout with politicians. Farming is a much bigger, more cash intensive business than it used to be- those who approach it casually or figure they will learn as the go don't survive. Few young people are willing to dedicate themselves to this- and unless they inherited a larger operation, the cost of building one is intimidating if no impossible. But those who are in that industry are getting very tired of having no significant voice, despite the importance of what they do. I think that is what is behind the movements in California and Oregon to break up states or move state borders, so the rural communities aren't at the total mercy of the politicians from the big cities. There is a huge gap in understanding here. One recent note showing that was Bloomberg's quote implying farmers didn't need intelligence, and he could teach anyone to be a farmer. Such ignorance and arrogance is unfortunately not rare in politics. I think they do have a cause to be angry with politicians- some more than others.
     
    bricklayer likes this.
  16. ronv

    ronv Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2018
    Messages:
    20,312
    Likes Received:
    8,774
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    No disagreement from me, except I'm not sure why you want to blame the rural plight on politicians.
    They didn't invent the machines that created their problems.
     
  17. wist43

    wist43 Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2010
    Messages:
    3,285
    Likes Received:
    1,313
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The leftists made a movie depicting their vision of the future - The Hunger Games.

    We grow their food, build their trinkets, and mine their bobbles... how long before they use government force to kill off those they deem expendable??
     
  18. spiritgide

    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2016
    Messages:
    20,411
    Likes Received:
    16,306
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Not blaming the politicians for anything other than failing to give these people equal voice and respect their lives and contributions. Farming is a great deal different than most industries, but is is large and critical to the nation Some politicians (like Bloomberg) show that they lack any grasp of it role and importance. I have no doubt that will come back to haunt him, but it indicates that many are so detached from the farm world that they have no understanding of it at all.
     
  19. 557

    557 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2018
    Messages:
    17,776
    Likes Received:
    10,039
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Lions are getting pretty thick in Nebraska. Stock loss is minimal still, mostly they are a nuisance at this point. That could change quickly if small game populations decreased for any reason.

    I grew up in Colorado and we lost stock there to a lion.
    This happened after I moved out of Colorado.
    https://www.nevadaappeal.com/news/local/mountain-lion-makes-peaceful-visit-to-abbey-chapel/
     
  20. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2009
    Messages:
    38,937
    Likes Received:
    14,957
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yes. It is sad from my point of view.
     
  21. BestViewedWithCable

    BestViewedWithCable Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2010
    Messages:
    48,288
    Likes Received:
    6,966
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Id be happy, if California would open up the voting books to the US federal government.
    California refuses.
    Id be happy, if California would call ICE and Immigration services before they release illegal alien felons, back into the public.
    California refuses.
    Id be happy, if California would clean up the human feces and drug needles in the streets.
    California refuses.
    You can cry about people hiring illegal workers in California, but California is utterly complicit.

    red herrings..... my ass
    **** California

    You dont need a national ID card, enforce the ****ing law !!!
    You dont need a "Nexus" pass, enforce the ****ing law !!!

    Yes you do need the question on the census, and no state should get additional federal tax dollars, for willfully violating US Federal Law.
     
    Last edited: Feb 20, 2020
  22. bricklayer

    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2011
    Messages:
    8,898
    Likes Received:
    2,751
    Trophy Points:
    113
    What do you expect from people who poop on the street?
     
    Last edited: Feb 20, 2020
  23. BestViewedWithCable

    BestViewedWithCable Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2010
    Messages:
    48,288
    Likes Received:
    6,966
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I expect them to vote for someone who can create opportunities and eliminate the problem.
     
  24. bricklayer

    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2011
    Messages:
    8,898
    Likes Received:
    2,751
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Really? I don't even expect them to wipe.
     
    BestViewedWithCable likes this.
  25. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2017
    Messages:
    45,156
    Likes Received:
    12,609
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    We already have a national ID in Social Security.

    You Trumpers don't really want to stop illegal immigration in its tracks by holding employers (like Trump...) responsible for only employing people entitled to work.

    The Lying Orange Oaf you support makes a lot of noise about a wall while waving people through the front door with visas they overstay.

    "OSSINING, N.Y. — For nearly two decades, the Trump Organization has relied on a roving crew of Latin American employees to build fountains and waterfalls, sidewalks and rock walls at the company’s winery and its golf courses from New York to Florida.

    Other employees at Trump clubs were so impressed by the laborers — who did strenuous work with heavy stone — that they nicknamed them 'Los Picapiedras,'”
    Spanish for 'the Flintstones.'

    For years, their ranks have included workers who entered the United States illegally, according to two former members of the crew. Another employee, still with the company, said that remains true today."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/if-youre-a-good-worker-papers-dont-matter-how-a-trump-construction-crew-has-relied-on-immigrants-without-legal-status/2019/08/09/cf59014a-b3ab-11e9-8e94-71a35969e4d8_story.html

    How about getting onboard for a total solution?
     

Share This Page