Democrats unveil 3 trillion+ Covid relief package and plan to vote this week.

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    fmw Well-Known Member

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    There is nothing valuable about anything related to politics. Sorry.
     
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    Would you mind describing what you would rather see in place of politics? I'm not clear on what your point is.
     
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    Let me suggest you read Plato's Republic. The philosopher had some great ideas. He explains it better than I can.
     
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    If you can't state your point clearly and concisely, you don't have a proper understanding of it. That's YOUR job. I simply asked you to state it. Do your own damn study. What is it with you folk thinking you have the right to demand the labor of others, on your own behalf?

    If you want to live under an aristocracy/oligarchy, America isn't for you. Here we rule ourselves. When we want a task, we do it on our own behalf, not for another, who is perfectly capable, but demands our service.

    If you are an American, you have an exciting journey ahead of you as you realize just who you are.
     
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    It takes a book to explain it. I'm not willing to write one here. That is why I suggested some reading information. I didn't demand anything. I didn't think you would read it or care.
     
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    It doesn't take a book for a simple thesis statement. Here is a solid time honored practice that will clarify your thinking and your communication. Long posts and books are fine, they may be necessary to develop an argument, but, always start with, or know in your own mind, a summary of your point that you can fit on a post-it note.
     
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    OK. We should train people from childhood for government service and put them up for election when they have graduated. Electing people who want political power is a mistake. We should be able to choose leaders without using politics. There you go. Short and sweet which is my preference.
     
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    Thank you.

    Your first point. That means some un-elected Deep Stater forms the pool from which we "choose". They will choose and train folks dedicated to the greater empowerment of the Deep State. Not thanks. "You can choose from this group" isn't a "choice" it's a farce masquerading as a choice.

    Your second point is solid - our is a "forever perfecting" Union and you have hit the nail on the head, this is an area where we need a solution.

    Your 3rd point, I'm understanding as "without political parties" and that was the vision of the Framers, which fell apart simply because an organized party was more effective at getting elected than those outside of it. For the Presidential Elections that is probably a function of our Winner Take All system for ECV allotment in 48 of the 50 states. I think more states using allotment by Congressional District like NE and ME do, would give us all much more of a voice in presidential selection. I'm all for it.

    The Structural improvements will require Constitutional Amendments, Article V gives the States the Ability to complete this process, working collectively, with ZERO imput from Congress or the President, but it takes broad agreement. So remain engaged! It's the duty of those of us blessed with Self Government.
     
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    No, the political school would test children and choose them to become students based on some criteria. It shouldn't have anything to do with politics.

    Not too complicated. A single term limit for all elected offices could well dull the passion for power. If we train the student children to dislike power that could also help.

    I would remove political parties completely. Before the students graduate, they should write a thesis explaining their vision for the country and government. That would provide a reasonable basis for the electorate to consider for office.

    Not a big deal for me. I think we should redo the federal government from top to bottom and write a new constitution, but only if the new constitution also limited the power of federal government. None of these things will happen. Most people are afraid of change. 1/2 the people want a more powerful federal government.

    I read Plato's Republic in college and thought it was one of the most brilliant books ever written. Impractical, I suppose, but appealing to me. I hate politics despite its entertainment value for me. I have simpler solutions but I would have to write a book to explain them.[/QUOTE]
     
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