Democrats want Senate impeachment hearing right away

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  1. Jestsayin

    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You mean that same Electoral College the founders put in the constitution?
    Sorry for your tragic 2016 landslide election loss.
     
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    It all goes back to the misreading of the Constitution by those people. They want to pretend that "high crimes and misdemeanors" should be reinterpreted to mean just misdemeanors. They use that misreading of the Constitution to provide them the notion that you can impeach a president for any minor infraction or misdemeanor whatsoever.

    As if the framers argued and debated for months, and finally thru up their hands in disgust and decided "lets allow any House of Representatives controlled by the president's opposition Party to impeach the president for misdemeanors, i.e. anything or nothing at all." In their rush to sign the US Constitution they just forgot to Whiteout the words "conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes..."
     
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    I guess we will see about that, I am hoping this time around all those Republicans in California, Illinois, NJ and NY that knew they had zero chance and thanks to the Electoral college that you don't understand may have stayed home, or voted third party will make a symbolic vote for the guy erasing Obama's mistakes and then Trump can trounce the dem candidate by 15 million votes. People voted for Hillary for three reasons, some do as they are told, some just hated Trump, and some can not be saved from themselves.
    This time around many democrats are going to tell their triggered friends that they are voting democrat but when they look at their own financial situation are going to go Trump, they are not going to cut their own throats. Well, some will, see sentence above.

    Let the crying begin we shall shout!
     
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    He doesn't ignore them. He challenges them in court. Congress isn't the only branch of government
     
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    He's not going to be removed. The only real evidence available is the transcript which doesn't contain any condition on aid. If Justice Thomas is presiding, and I hope he is, none of the hearsay garbage will be allowed in evidence and it shouldn't be. All that's left is the transcript and the Treaty that speaks to collaborating to fight corruption.

    If Trump wants to run against Biden, he may drag it out. There are also Senate races to consider.
     
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    Who needed/needs mocking...
     
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    Bright kid!

    But to be honest, it doesn't take too much intelligence to mock Trump. He's such an idiot that he's an easy target.
     
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    But you said it was bad for Democrats in 2020. And Pelosi agrees with that. She said so many times.

    So I don't know what you're saying, but it makes absolutely no sense.

    As for the rest... maybe from now until the Senate trial you guys will realize that denying reality is not going to help Trump gain the favor of the majority of American voters. Are you expecting a "miracle" to come from somewhere else? Because it doesn't look like it's going to come from Ukraine, as Trump had planned. But we don't know what other countries he's been canvassing in.
     
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    Gordon Sondland: "I know that members of this Committee have frequently framed these complicated issues in the form of a simple question: Was there a “quid pro quo?” As I testified previously, with regard to the requested White House call and White House meeting, the answer is yes."
    Game over

    Justice Sexual Harasser Sr. is not the Chief Justice. Justice Roberts is!
     
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  10. squidward

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    Fathe, Son, Holy Ghost and Sondland?
     
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    Justice - Democrats didn't want a conservative Black on the court - just like the lies about Kavanaugh. You're pretty brave libeling Thomas while hiding under your keyboard.
     
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    Article I, Section 6 - They shall in all cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of Peace, be privileged from arrest during their attendance at the session of their respective houses, and in going to and returning from the same, and for any speech or debate in either house, they shall not be questioned in any other place.

    No arrest on the floor of the house or senate for sure. No arrest going or coming from a session in the house or senate. That leaves open other times. Open to debate. Perhaps the key is "attendance at the session and going and returning from the same." There's specific times when members of congress can't be arrested. In the end it will probably have to be decided by the SCOTUS.
     
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    It is also interesting to note that the word "high" modifies both "crimes" and misdemeanors." Misdemeanors then did not mean the same as misdemeanors does today. Then there was no US Code and hence no American definition of misdemeanors.
     
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    LOL, another one that did not listen to Sondland’s testimony.
     
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    No you don't. But you all will keep looking under rocks and in garbage cans for cause for impeachment number 17. Then when that fails move on to find #18, and so on.
     
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    It's called being above the law.
     
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    Indeed.

    As if the framers wrote "conviction of, treason, bribery, high crimes, hearsay, or really anything at all that the House feels like..."
     
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    Too bad the framers did not add the ability for the executive branch to impeach members of Congress. Wouldn't that be fun?
     
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    The dem clown show is live right now. The dems telling their narrative without any facts other than feelings.
     
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    Perhaps the Democrats thought Trump would 'cave' and resign. They have, repeatedly, underestimated him. Now they aren't quite sure what to do.
     
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    Well, they don't have any fact witnesses to accuse the president of anything.

    In any other case, if the prosecution accuses the defendant of committing a crime against someone, and the victim says the crime never occurred, even with hearsay and speculation to the contrary, the prosecution would not have any case.

    In this case where blackmail is accused to have taken place. Both the defendant and the victim deny anything like that took place. There is no indication that any actions were taken by the victim to comply with the supposed blackmail.

    The victim and the defendant are called liars, and even though none actions that the victim is accused of performing to comply with the blackmailing ever took place, the prosecution still assert the defendant wanted them to occur anyway.

    So to recap what the prosecution asserts - there is ZERO evidence that blackmail was made against the victim, there is ZERO evidence that actions to comply with blackmail ever took place, but the victim and defendant are both filthy liars.
     
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    Yet, there they are, making statements on TV as if they are stating facts and as if they have an airtight case to get the impeachment they want and the removal of the President. I have never seen Democrats in office stand up and tell such egregious lies that merely a few years ago would have had them removed from office. Now, they do it with impunity as if it is business as usual. It's a bit alarming how far they are trying to take this and what they will say to overturn an election.
     
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    In the past, all the Democrats and their cohorts in the news media were required to do was sneer in the general direction of any Republican and they'd fold like cheap suits.

    Pelosi lost her composure when simply being asked if she hated Trump. These people would not last for one week, if they had to endure the level of the of verbal assaults and wide spread media attacks made against Trump and his family.
     
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    Even the so called expert Constitutional witnesses for the dems were lying, stating rumor, hearsay and speculations as if they were established facts.
     
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    Yeah, with the caveat sometimes. While on the House and Senate floor, no arrests. Is that above the law? Going to prior to either the house or senate coming into session or leaving the house and or the senate after the session. No arrests. What's not covered is when the House and senate are in recess or have adjourned for the day. In other words when ever a session is not taking place to include travel to and from that session arrests are possible.
     

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