Did Trump's arbitrary decision cause the Saudi oil refinery attack?

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  1. Sandy Shanks

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    Did Trump's arbitrary decision in May 2018 cause the Saudi oil refinery attack? Ironically, if Trump's secretary of state is right, the answer is an unequivocal "yes."

    The New York Times reports, "Drone attacks claimed by Yemen’s Houthi rebels struck two key oil installations inside Saudi Arabia on Saturday, damaging facilities that process the vast majority of the country’s crude output and raising the risk of a disruption in world oil supplies.

    "The attacks immediately escalated tensions in the Persian Gulf amid a standoff between the United States and Iran, even as key questions remained unanswered — where the drones were launched from, and how the Houthis managed to hit facilities deep in Saudi territory, some 500 miles from Yemeni soil."

    According to the Guardian, "The attack reduced production by five million barrels a day – nearly half the kingdom’s output and 5% of global production – according to unnamed Saudi oil ministry sources quoted by the Reuters news agency last night. The reduction will go on for at least 48 hours reports said."

    Trump's secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, blames Iran. "Tehran is behind nearly 100 attacks on Saudi Arabia while Rouhani and Zarif pretend to engage in diplomacy. Amid all the calls for de-escalation, Iran has now launched an unprecedented attack on the world's energy supply."

    Pompeo also said there was nothing to back the Houthi claim of responsibility. "There is no evidence the attacks came from Yemen," Pompeo said.

    This begs a question. Is there proof the attacks came from Iran? The answer is no.

    There you have it. Officially, the Trump administration blames Iran for the attack.

    Mr. Trump, however, did not name Iran, saying he needed to consult with Saudi Arabia first, the New York Times.

    Now why is that? Could it be Trump knows exactly where the blame lies if Iran retaliated?

    Trump forced Iran into a corner and Iran has struck back.

    Signed during the Obama administration, the Iran nuclear deal (JCPOA) permanently barred Iran from making a nuclear bomb. In May 2018, Trump removed the U.S. from the JCPOA and reimposed the harsh sanctions that stuck a dagger into the heart of the Iranian economy. Iran’s economy came under unprecedented pressure thanks to the reimposed sanctions, especially oil sanctions, with negative 1.5 percent growth in 2018 and an expected negative 3.6 percent growth in 2019.

    Iran has bombed and seized oil tankers. While technically a member of the JCPOA, she has resumed her nuclear research in earnest. She has exceeded the amount of processed uranium. She has exceeded the level of uranium enrichment. She has shot down a very expensive American UAV that was spying on Iranian military bases.

    All of this came as a result of Trump's regretful decision in May 2018.

    And now this.

    Saudi Arabia is an important ally of the U.S. and the Saudi royal family have vital business relationships with the Trump Organization. Iran is not able to strike at the American heartland and it would not be prudent to do so.

    However, Saudi Arabia is well within range and the Saudi oil refineries are juicy, highly relevant targets that strike at the very heart of the Saudi/American relationship.

    If Iran is responsible for this attack, there is a direct link between the attack and Trump's rueful decision in May 2018.
     
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    Two Democrat Rules of Thumb. 1) If anything bad in this world happens, Trump is responsible.
    2) Everything Trump does is bad.

    I believe that about covers it.
     
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    Relax a bit. The rabid alt lefties are scratching at the walls. Gotta admit it's fun watching Trump torment them. I read on the thternet President Trump flew a little orange plane and did the deed all by himself. Pretty sure this is a real story.
     
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    Unless Trump isn't president..
     
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    The facts speak for themselves, and you didn't challenge anything I wrote in my analysis.

    That says it all.
     
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    Another Trumpet unable to challenge anything I said. He just cracks jokes, the last line of defense while trying vainly to support the idiot.

    The facts are there, and there isn't anything anyone can do about it, which would explain why Trump supporters are avoiding this thread. They prefer talking about Elizabeth Warren and the Democrats.
     
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    It’s anazing the way the left bends over backwards, supporting the largest state sponsor of terror, Iran
     
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    What on earth do you know about facts? What a joke .
     
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    Indeed.
     
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    Lol. Facts.
     
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    That's what Bibi has been claiming since 1994.
     
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    Well...
     
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    It seem to me that an attack on the oil refineries by Iran would be a "we got nothing to lose" act. If true, I am not proposing it is, then why would United States involvement be a given. Don't the Saudis have fifty eight bazillion dollars worth of American weapons at their disposal? Why should one drop of American blood be spilled to support this, at best, dubious ally. Let the Saudis carry the ball on this one, it was their refineries, their income production sources. We can afford to stand down. Didn't Trump brag the U.S. is the world's #1 oil producer?

    The fact is, there is enough question marks around this affair that if intemperate action is called for, let it be the kingdom that does it. Unfortunately, we have a White House that lives by knee jerk reaction. Let's see how our fearless leader handles this one. My bet? The Saudis got somebody else (zealots) to do their dirty work. That's the Arab way.
     
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    Nope, don't challenge anything you said. But it does show how hurt Iran is and how she is trying to strike back. Maybe she'll hurt so much, she'll come back to the negotiating table and agree to a good deal that can be verified.
     
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    On Sunday night, our ever responsible President, Donald Trump, tweeted this:

    "Saudi Arabia oil supply was attacked. There is reason to believe that we know the culprit, are locked and loaded depending on verification, but are waiting to hear from the Kingdom as to who they believe was the cause of this attack, and under what terms we would proceed!"

    Ignoring the awkward syntax for the moment -- the English language is not Trump's long suit -- Trump threatened war. The words "locked and loaded" directly imply that weapons are, uh, locked and loaded to be delivered at the push of a button.

    Except it doesn't! See, what the President meant by saying "locked and loaded" actually had nothing at all to do with a threat of military strike! Not at all!

    "I think that 'locked and loaded' is a broad term and talks about the realities that we're all far safer and more secure domestically from energy independence," said Vice President Mike Pence's chief of staff Marc Short on Monday morning. :roflol:




     
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    What are you talking about? Do you know? Was it anything I said? If so, tell me how I supported Iran.
     
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    No, not necessarily. Just the left in general here rushing to defend Iran
     
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    Trump might try to blame Iran for the attack

    Likely the TRUTH is Yemen retaliated against Saudi for the relentless genocide of their people

    Trump is a puppet for the Saudi Family ................... probably kickbacks Jared set up
     
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    Iran seized another tanker today, so they must not be concerned about Trump saying he's locked and loaded.

    You don't know the Saudi very well.
     
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    July 30, 2018: With respect to talks with Iran, asked if he would have pre-conditions for a meeting, Trump said, "No pre-conditions. No. If they want to meet, I'll meet. Anytime they want. Anytime they want. It's good for the country, good for them, good for us, and good for the world. No pre-conditions. If they want to meet, I'll meet."

    June 23, 2019: Chuck Todd, host of NBC's "Meet the Press," asked him, "No pre-conditions?" Trump responded, "Not as far as I'm concerned. No pre-conditions."

    June 23, 2019: Vice President Mike Pence told CNN's Jake Tapper, "The President of the United States has made it clear we're prepared to talk to Iran without pre-conditions."

    September 10, 2019: Appearing together at a press briefing, Mnuchin and Pompeo said within moments of each other that Trump was willing to meet with Iran with "no pre-conditions."

    September 15, 2019. In a tweet on Sunday, Trump said, "The Fake News is saying that I am willing to meet with Iran, 'No Conditions.' That is an incorrect statement (as usual!)."

    That's our President. People who voted for him have to be truly embarrassed.
     
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    That is a typical defense of Trump from Trumpets. They cheer when Trump really screws up, pissing off lefties (and everyone else).

    This time Trump may get people killed. Probably already has ... at the Saudi refinery. What do Trumpets do? They crack jokes about Trump infuriating lefties.

    We allowed these people to chose our President. That can't happen again.
     
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    Trump is really sick...
     
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    Trump forced Iran into a corner and Iran has struck back. The communist dictator of Russia, Vladimir Putin, was pleased with Trump's decision.

    Signed during the Obama administration, the Iran nuclear deal (JCPOA) permanently barred Iran from making a nuclear bomb. In May 2018, Trump removed the U.S. from the JCPOA and reimposed the harsh sanctions that stuck a dagger into the heart of the Iranian economy. Iran’s economy came under unprecedented pressure thanks to the reimposed sanctions, especially oil sanctions, with negative 1.5 percent growth in 2018 and an expected negative 3.6 percent growth in 2019.

    Iran has bombed and seized oil tankers. While technically a member of the JCPOA, she has resumed her nuclear research in earnest. She has exceeded the amount of processed uranium. She has exceeded the level of uranium enrichment. She has shot down a very expensive American UAV that was spying on Iranian military bases.

    "ANKARA (Reuters) - The leaders of Turkey, Russia and Iran meeting in Ankara on Monday agreed to try to ease tensions in northwest Syria’s Idlib region."

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    You are editing posts again. Not cool. Why not stop that crap and watch President Trump's great rally in New Mexico. I wipp post it for you on your favorite thread.
    The answer to your question in the OP, no, it is just more manufactured bullshit from one of the usual suspects.
     

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