Diversity could tear your nation apart!

Margot,

The Chinese, Japanese, Irish, Italians, and Greeks didn't come to America as ILLEGAL ALlENS.

The illegal aliens around me aren't assimilating. They are living in a parallel dimension and raising gangbangers. That's not assimilation. La Raza, MEChA, LULAC, etc. prevent assimilation. Those organizations preclude assimilation.

 

I agree, except with the argument that the western hemisphere has been a multi racial society for five hundred years. The blacks weren't assimilated after they were freed. It wasn't until the 60's with the civil rights movement and Johnson's Great Society that assimilation started. There has been lots of racial strife in America. Unless you think the Native Americans on reservations are assimilated.

The fact that Americans are of all nationalities, races and ethnicities is a good thing. Assimilation is positive, but its simply a different spin on immigrant integration than multi culturalism. The end result is the same, full assimilation and tons of really neat restaurants, festivals and feasts, and a better understanding of the world.

 

Before you start talking about how the germans "assimilated" into American culture, I think you should take a good look around in the USA. The germanic peoples, in many ways, have remained distinctly separated areas from the english peoples. Many of those english peoples were already of anglo-saxon ethnicity. The germans concentrated in Pennsylvania, and to this day most of the whites in this state are german, and they tend not to mix much with the italians. So this is clearly not a good example of assimilation.

Look in Ireland. The Norwegian (viking migration) ethnicity peoples still tend to remain sexually apart from the brythionic/celtic natives. When the irish came to the USA, a distinction was made between the "light" and "dark" irish, the former did not really get discriminated against. It was no coincidence that the first Catholic president had more norwegian ethnicity. Of course, all the irish are mixed now to some extent.

 

Look, its not an oxymoron for me to say that I believe in assimilation and segregation at the same time.

I'm not saying that Oriental immigrants should give up using chopsticks in lieu of using silver utensils. Nor am I saying that Latino immigrants give up munching on burritos for a lifetime seat at McDonalds by eating a Big Mac.

What I am saying is that recent immigrants (hopefully legal) learn to accept our English language (both spoken and written); learn to work instead of rely on entitlements, get legitimate driver's licenses, register to vote as Republicans, invest in America, save their money and listen to Rush Limbaugh every week day so as to get a clue as to how to become a patriotic and capitalistic loving American.

 

That is not true. There is tremendous pressure for people do assimilate. To be successful in America at any capacity one must speak English and have an understanding of American business/culture. That is definitely not true.

Why do you think Japan is putting tremendous effort into teaching English to their citizens. You know you can go to Japan and live nearly for free if you teach English? I have 2 friends who are doing that.

Mexico teaches English courses to their students because to be successful knowing English is an advantage.

I think you guys are confusing people having difficulties learning English to not trying. Some people who come here who are over 40 are going to have an extremely difficult time learning the language.

Most immigrants accept this. I don't know where you are getting this. Can you not accept the fact that people are individuals and individuals have different capacities to learn a new language. I think any one with any common sense would know that to be successful in America English is required.

LOL You really think immigrants who bust their ass off in other countries working making income still as poverty levels have entitlement issues? That is Americans, not immigrants. My dad immigrated from the Dominican Republic over 20 years ago, dude still works 6 days a week. Nearly all his brothers and sisters own businesses or homes now as well. Entitlement is an American thing.

Really?

You're hilarious!

 

Ben Franklin claimed that the Germans in Pennsylvania had no pressure to assimilate. He railed about the fact that most signs in parts of Pennsylvania were in German, and that there were several German language newspapers. In other words, the same stuff that people always claim about immigrants (they don't need to assimilate, they just bring their culture here..... etc.).

 

There was no such thing as an illegal alien until the 20th century.

In the 1930s, people would say the same about the Mafia, etc. that you are saying about the Mexicans.

Those who ignore history are bound to repeat it (and panic).

 

The apple pie that we call American, was Pennsylvania dutch in origin. So much of what we do is a mixture of the different cultures that made us up.

How could they mix, I thought they wanted to be separate? That mixing blows your theory.

 

Obviously.
That's because tension between races/ethnic groups varies by socio-economic class.
Poverty-stricken areas with high crime and low employment see greater racial tension.
Wealthier areas (such as colleges) see greater racial harmony.

Why?

Because racial tension comes into play when there is real underlying economic tension. Same with xenophobia. Sexism gets worse. Religious conflict. Basically desperate people see "the other" as an enemy when competing for scarce resources.
When there is less competition, when everyone is relatively secure, there isn't much tension. People get along more or less (though once conflict starts, it doesn't end right away once the situation gets better).

Now assume an all white country.
Do you honestly believe that under the stress of poverty and crime and unemployment, people would not form groups and point fingers at "the other"?
Race is just one arbitrary line we create. Humans have an infinite capability for drawing such lines.

 

What pressure do illegal aliens from Mexico have to assimilate?

Edit: I was walking my dog yesterday by the local school while some of the kids were hanging signs written in Spanish celebrating Latin American independence day (Mexican independence day is Sept. 21). The signs weren't translated into English. As American society accommodates the Reconquista, there is less and less reason for these folks to assimilate into America.

 

In the 1930s there was a public school system that taught unity and acted as the agent of assimilation. The public schools no longer do that.

By the way, do you live with illegal aliens? Do you know these folks as your neighbors?

 

I think most immigrants work harder than most Americans. And Rush Limbaugh, really?

 

It doesn't matter how hard some illegals work. All of them are illegal, and need to get out of the USA. Zero tolerance for illegals.

 

The same pressure any other immigrants face. They all know that to make a better living you have to learn English. Like most immigrants, the first generation often doesn't learn much English. However, their kids (and grandkids) do.

Ben Franklin said the same about the Pennysylvania Germans, by the way.

Ben Franklin said:

http://bc.barnard.columbia.edu/~lgordis/earlyAC/documents/observations.html



http://franklinpapers.org/franklin/framedVolumes.jsp

To Peter COllinson 1753

Ben was wrong. So are those who say Mexicans will never assimilate.

 

Of course public schools still assimilate. That's what ESOL teachers do. They teach kids to learn in English.

I don't know illegals, I do know legal aliens from Mexico. Great people.

Also, I study history to some degree. The history of large groups of immigrants in this country is that they are first accused of not assimilating. Several generations later, they are as American as apple pie.

 

Did the White settlers assimilate into American Indian cultures?

 

No.. the whites converted them to Christianity and insisted they give up their sin stained culture to adapt the sin stained cultures of European immigrants.

As if you couldn't remain and Cherokee or Iroquois and be a Christian.

 

The Whites were the replacement population. They eliminated the American Indians. That's why there are so few American Indians alive today. There was no assimilation then, and there is no assimilation now.

 

I believe learning the Language, respecting people, and obeying the Laws are the most important. Seems to be for some these are the most difficult.... Welfare stagnates this, as many will just stay content and start feeling entitled. There is simply no motivation to advance, since living on welfare in America is a much better life than many came from.

 

Is that why white people in Arkansas and West Virginia seem like they're from a different planet?

 

Greeks,Irish, Italians, Jews and Spanish immigrants were NOT considered white people..

Neither were Chinese, Japanese or Blacks.

 

Greeks, Irish and Italians were not considered WHITE people? LMFAO!

Yeah, my Irish blood keeps me looking like a friggin albino. But I can see how looking at my red afro hairdo might give some the impression that I do indeed have some black congo blood running through my veins. LOL!

 

Multiculturalism only works when people are forced to contribute and work, in Europe this is the reason why the Multicultural idea is a complete disaster.

 

Go back to 1750 to 1890.. or even 1910.. They were NOT considered white people as stupid as that sounds. For god's sake don't you know the history of the Irish immigrants in America? Look at the Palatine Migrations... they were considered louts, slatterns, drunks and wife beaters.

 

And that's all down to multiculturalism, is it.... Crime and poverty exist everywhere and always have.

Multiculturalism is preferable to war, btw. What does nationalism bring? Exclusion. When people don't mix and don't know each other, you get what Europe used to be before people realised the stupidity of continually warring against imaginary enemies.