Diversity could tear your nation apart!

Discussion in 'Race Relations' started by Anders Hoveland, Sep 6, 2011.

  1. Trinnity

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    Let's cut to the chase, cuz I abhor PC.

    As long as Blacks cling to victim-hood and dislike for Whites over slavery which ended over 140 years ago, there will be no end to the conflict between Blacks and Whites. And as long as Whites resent the disdain from Blacks the two will feed on themselves. Racial tension is always just below the surface and it takes very little to rip off the scab. That's just the way it is.

    I've spent my whole life living by the golden rule. I'm polite and courteous to everyone. I hope along the way it's helped. People who are rude - I just ignore and move along. I can't change the world by myself. You do what you can and that's all you can do.

    Like it or not, we're all in this together. If ya can't say somethin' nice, then don't say anything at all.
    Mind yer own bidness. That goes for everybody....
     
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  2. flounder

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    Is that where a lot of today's immigrants settle? Naaa, your just being silly....:smile:
     
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    There has never been a time in human history where a more advanced culture meets a lesser culture, that the more advanced culture eradicates or dominates the lesser. Every aboriginal culture on earth was basically treated the same way - genocide, abuse, exploitation, oh yes and conversion of the heathen savage.
     
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    Ben Franklin didn't consider most Germans to be white people (they were "swarthy"). Of course there was assimilation then, and there is assimilation ongoing now.
     
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    Are you aware of the religious boarding schools for Indian children that existed up into the late 1940s and early 1950s?

    We took their children from them, cut there hair, forced Christianity on them, gave them Anglo names ... and these places used brutal forms of punishment.

    Does that sound like any sort of "Christian" ethic to you?

    The idea of advance versus 'lesser" is subjective especially when the goal is land theft.

    What happened to patience and decency?
     
  6. Trinnity

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    It was murdered in the Castro district of San Fran....
     
  7. Albert Di Salvo

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    Agreed. Endless strife.
     
  8. Anders Hoveland

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    By any chance did you do a follow-up investigation into the lives of those former Indian boarding schools kids? I don't know of any adults (including myself) who said they weren't glad to have been schooled in a Christian setting. In fact, seems like everyone that did have a Christian schooling adolescense did fairly well in life and secured successful vocations in the process. And what forms of punishment did they endure? I still have nightmares of seeing Nun Ratchet slam her ruler over my knuckles because I threw a spitball at a kid I despised. LOL! :twisted:
     
  10. Anders Hoveland

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    There continues to be plenty of racial tension in Guyana, and it is a defining element in the country's politics.

    from wikipedia:
    "a growing rift in the country's main political party as the personal conflict between the PPP's Jagan and Burnham widened into a bitter dispute. In 1955 Jagan and Burnham formed rival wings of the PPP. Support for each leader was largely, but not totally, along ethnic lines. J.B. Lachmansingh, a leading Indo-Guyanese and head of the GIWU, supported Burnham, whereas Jagan retained the loyalty of a number of leading Afro-Guyanese radicals, such as Sydney King.
    He could not win if supported only by the lower-class, urban Afro-Guyanese. He needed middle-class allies, especially those Afro-Guyanese who backed the moderate United Democratic Party. From 1957 onward, Burnham worked to create a balance between maintaining the backing of the more radical Afro-Guyanese lower classes and gaining the support of the more capitalist middle class. Clearly, Burnham's stated preference for socialism would not bind those two groups together against Jagan, an avowed Marxist. The answer was something more basic—race. Burnham's appeals to race proved highly successful in bridging the schism that divided the Afro-Guyanese along class lines. This strategy convinced the powerful Afro-Guyanese middle class to accept a leader who was more of a radical than they would have preferred to support. At the same time, it neutralized the objections of the black working class to entering an alliance with those representing the more moderate interests of the middle classes."

    Race is just as important of an element in a country's social/political divissions as class.
     
  11. Anders Hoveland

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    There continues to be plenty of racial tension in Guyana, and it is a defining element in the country's politics.

    from wikipedia:
    "a growing rift in the country's main political party as the personal conflict between the PPP's Jagan and Burnham widened into a bitter dispute. In 1955 Jagan and Burnham formed rival wings of the PPP. Support for each leader was largely, but not totally, along ethnic lines. J.B. Lachmansingh, a leading Indo-Guyanese and head of the GIWU, supported Burnham, whereas Jagan retained the loyalty of a number of leading Afro-Guyanese radicals, such as Sydney King.
    He could not win if supported only by the lower-class, urban Afro-Guyanese. He needed middle-class allies, especially those Afro-Guyanese who backed the moderate United Democratic Party. From 1957 onward, Burnham worked to create a balance between maintaining the backing of the more radical Afro-Guyanese lower classes and gaining the support of the more capitalist middle class. Clearly, Burnham's stated preference for socialism would not bind those two groups together against Jagan, an avowed Marxist. The answer was something more basic—race. Burnham's appeals to race proved highly successful in bridging the schism that divided the Afro-Guyanese along class lines. This strategy convinced the powerful Afro-Guyanese middle class to accept a leader who was more of a radical than they would have preferred to support. At the same time, it neutralized the objections of the black working class to entering an alliance with those representing the more moderate interests of the middle classes."

    Race is just as important of an element in a country's social/political divissions as class.
     
  12. raymondo

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    What is it about Team GB that makes it the exception to your imagined rule?
    Overall we have excellent integration and cultural diversity has made it a joy to live here .
    Pity your places cannot learn by our example .
     
  13. Anders Hoveland

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    Which multiethnic country in the world does not have serious racial tensions bubbling under the surface? The UK certainly has problems, as evidenced by those London riots.
     
  14. Cigar

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    Sorry ... but the Old Days are GONE ... FOREVER, and are NEVER Coming Back.

    People are mobile and moving across this planet.

    There's two choices you can make ... Adapt or become Extinct.
     
  15. Anders Hoveland

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    Guess all those forests and endangered species are going to disappear forever also...

    If you knew anything about ecology and the concept of speciation, you would realise that certain races are going to eventually become extinct.
    No two species (or sub-species, or any co-existing populations that are in any way sexually isolated from eachother) can co-exist in a world with limited opportunity. One will always out compete the other. Different races will evolve (much more rapidly than most people realise, through natural selection) to fill different niches in the economy. These different niches will not be equal. There is absolutely no reason that this fundamental law of ecology would not apply to humans.

    Racial diversity is going to mean long-lasting inequality.
     
  16. Gwendoline

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    Diversity isn't the problem, divisiveness is.

    If people don't like diversity and multiculturalism, they should go live in a cave.
     
  17. Anders Hoveland

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    What you are unable to realise is that diversity will inevitably lead to divisiveness.
    All your well-wishing idealism is not going to change this.
     
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    What you are unable to realise is that divisiveness will inevitably lead to even more divisiveness.

    For whatever reason that you do not want to live peace-ably with others, that's your issue and problem.

    There's always a remote cave. That could do the trick.
     
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    And just how successful have today's blacks adapted to our American society? Need I put those high crime and incarceration rates of blacks up here for you to revisit and choke on, and should I also put up the horrible statistics of broken one-parent black families struggling on welfare and foodstamps as a picture for all of us to adapt to?
     
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    Successful enough to drive Racist to the Comfort and Safety of the Internet where only Forum Moderators can protect them now.

    ... and that's good enough for me. :)
     
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    They make it sound like no whites have ever committed crimes been incarcerated been on welfare and foodstamps and had broken one parent families...

    I guess they're in denial...
     
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    No ... they're just ignorant racist and that's how ignorant racist think!
     
  23. Gwendoline

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    Yes, that too. But can't call anyone :censored: when they're being :censored:

    We cannot state the obvious. It's not allowed.
     
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    And what % of the black population is that?
     
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    The process of assimilation is organic to us, because of free speech and media saturation. It is completely self sustaining, and it is why authoritarian cultures (from Islamic terrorists to white supremests) are terrified of us. They know that if given a free choice, their children are very likely to prefer our way to their way.

    This was not true in the past. American culture was a lot more authoritarian 100 years ago. And therefore (IMO) a lot more artificial. Pressure is no longer really necessary due to the natural appeal of our culture to most people.

    3rd generation Americans of Mexican decent are dramatically different from Mexican immigrants. It is a night and day difference. They do think like us.

    Saint Patrick's Day is a major holiday in the US, and has been for a long time now.

    IMO that is an apples and oranges comparison, as our culture is dramatically different than theirs was. On a fundamental level. What happened to them could not happen to us for a variety of reasons. Some of which are explained above.
     

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