Do You Believe In A "Soul"?

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  1. doombug

    doombug Well-Known Member

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    Nah, you are wrong.
     
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    Yes, that is the standard that you proposed. I agree that it is laughable, though.

    I do believe anyone should do these deeds. I believe they are wrong no matter how much power you have.
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Feel free to point out anything about what I said that was wrong and I'll happily provide my proof or argument.
     
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    doombug Well-Known Member

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    Really? So pest exterminators should lose their jobs? That's evil!
     
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    doombug Well-Known Member

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    You said God was evil because of such and such. I say humans are worse because of the daily mass murdering they do. If your standard is correct then this is the case. Prove me wrong.
     
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    Yes, any pest exterminator who kills children or enslaves people should lose their jobs. How could you possibly disagree?
     
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    If you believe in the God of the Bible, you believe in a God who literally killed every living thing except for a single family and mating pairs of animals. No human has ever killed a planet worth of people. None. Meanwhile, the worse humans can do is kill someone . . . the God of the Bible both kills people (far more than any human being) and casts them into eternal fire, which is even worse than death. He orders the Israelites to kill entire civilizations, children and all. He continuously punishes people for the sins of others. He introduces slavery to the world in Genesis. No human being has ever done anything that comes close to comparing to the cruelty that, according to the Bible, God has inflicted.
     
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    God is a merely the process of transporting life to new planets. This is a logical requirement for life to exist, because every planet and or sun is finite, if we are to survive long term, we must leave here, when we find and populate a new world, God is achieved. All scientist know this, but none will talk about anything but the past. Again the past is dead, life is always in the future where destiny lies, with the stars
     
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    As I said, your argument depends on inventing a new definition for "God" that can't be found anywhere in the English language. You call it a verb, but you don't even use it as a verb and you can't even offer a conjugation.
     
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    I have made no argument, the Mars colony will happen, it's just a matter of time. God is merely what Christians and Jews believe brought life to the Earth. When we find Earth 2, and we bring life, which we must because we need to bring a food web with us, God is proved.
     
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    Not for any English meaning of the word "God." Only a virtually meaningless redefinition that you have created for your own personal, private language.
     
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    God is not defined anywhere, technically if you ask the 2.2 billion Christians what God means you will get 2.2 billion meanings. The one common denominator is that God brings life...................That is my definition exactly, so 2.2 billion people agree with me whether they know it or not
     
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    Dr. Eben Alexander, the medical doctor and brain expert, experience something, which he calls Proof of Heaven. There are people who experienced another dimension, that they all said felt and was perceived as more real than our everyday consciousness. And such NDEs, date back thousands of years. So, the question is, why do some people who are clinically dead experience a something rather than nothing, and some people experience nothing at all.

    There can be several explanations as to why this is, with one being that Packer was in the state of Hell, where there was no after life to experience, because the separation from God, called Hell, is nothingness, as compared to a state of being where one is experiencing an existence with a super heightened state of awareness. Which would be called heaven. This would be preferable, to the Hell of christianity, where a soul's testicles are boiled in super heated oil forever and ever and ever. No end to the unbearable pain and suffering, just the hottest fires ever. But such a god, as some have noted, is indistinguishable from a most evil being, and certainly does not appear to be a god of goodness. Nor for that matter fairness. In fact, if a human being were to punish someone with the longest torture possible, without killing the body quick, so that the pain and suffering would endure for the longest amount of time, we, with correctness, would call such a human being as an evil psychopath. So, it seems some of us have a god who is not as moral as some human beings!

    So to buy into such a god as portrayed by much of the bible is to believe in basically some kind of all powerful monster. And that is the reason that some sects of christianity, do not buy into this god at all. For this image of god, looks ironically just like a human, worldly king, who insists his subjects bow before him, (so he does not have to worry about an assassin) and to serve him as a servant would serve his worldly king, but with a human king perhaps being more kind, fair, and loving. The best kings are the Philosopher Kings, who are empathetic, compassionate, loving, and embody great wisdom and judgment. And who reign, with the best interest of his subject in mind and in heart.

    As to whether man has a soul, which survives the vessel which hold it for a few years? How can one, really, actually know? For this seems to be one of those things, which is truly unknowable, given the nature of it. And so that leaves man up to believing or not believing, with no evidence whatsoever to support the belief assumed. For the soul, apparently, to date, is not measurable.

    For the honestly hopeful, one can of course hope there is indeed a soul which survives the death of the organism. For most people really do not want to die, to see an end to the ability to be aware and experience. And apparently, most animal are not too keen on it either, given that all life forms will fight in some manner to survive, instead of dying. Seems to be hardwired in the life form. But yet if life was suicidal, with no drive to live, well, nothing would have ever evolved into what we see as higher life forms. So, the need, the urge, the drive to survive instead of dying, was present in the first self replicating molecule, or at least in the first single cell living organism. So by luck, chance, or whatever, not only did the first self replicating molecule have the potential of evolving into a single cell organism, with complexity, but also the potential of evolving from a single call, living thing, into a multi cell living thing, and into much more complex life forms, all the way up to homo sapien sapiens. One might get the idea that something stacked the deck, in favor of evolution, given the plethora of qualities necessary for evolution itself. With perhaps all of these qualities, coincidently and by pure chance, contained within the first self replicating molecule, along with a penchant, if not a strong drive, to survive, to live, rather than to die.

    I figure, if there is a homo sapien sapiens, soul, then surely my dogs have also had souls too. There was once an old Twilight Zone series long ago, and one of Serling's stories was about a man who died, and his dog appeared to him, outside the gate which one had to pass through to enter into heaven. When the being standing guard over the gate, told the human that he could not bring in his dog, the human, loving his dog so much, refused to enter in. And so he wandered down the narrow road in front of heaven, and walked on and on, enjoying being with his long lost dog. Until he finally walked upon another gate, with its guard, or a being that welcomed him to enter through the gate into the property behind the gate. When the human asked if he could take his dog with him, the being said sure, for what would heaven be without man's best friend!! So, it seems that the first gate the man tried to enter with his dog, was not heaven, but hell.

    As the old Blood Sweat and Tears song goes...

    Now troubles are many, they're as deep as a well.
    I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell.
    Swear there ain't no heaven and I pray there ain't no hell,
    But I'll never know by living, only my dying will tell.
    Yes only my dying will tell.
    Yeah, only my dying will tell
     
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    I know you are but what am I?
     
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    Well the exterminator would be killing their own species unlike God. Humans slaughter on a daily basis.
     
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    So the worst a human can do is kill another human? So the worst God can do is kill a god? LOL! You have became irrational. You might want to stop before you come completely unraveled.
     
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    I didn't say that, I merely questioned the assumption that it's the same for each person.

    I never said anyone wasn't a reliable witness. I merely note that Packer's experience can't even be taken as representative of his own eternal destiny, never mind anyone else's.
     
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    True. We could go around in circles forever.
     
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    If that's what you got out of it, you didn't read the post. Try again. No human has ever done anything that matches the cruelty of what has been attributed to God by the Bible. It isn't even close.
     
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    And? If aliens landed and were conscious beings capable of the same sort of pain and suffering as we are, you are claiming it would be morally okay to murder all of them, even their children, even if they posed no threat to us at all, torture them, rape them, whatever we want because they are another species.

    And if the God of the Bible exists, no human has committed any act or any combination acts that can come even close to approaching his evil and cruelty.
     
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    Are you kidding? Humans do worse on a daily basis.
     
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    Really? You have to resort to make believe fantasies?

    Yes, humans do worse on a daily basis.
     
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    Really? Name one human today who will kill a planet worth of people, introduce slavery to the world, curse every species on earth for the sins of two people, consign untold of billions of people off to eternal torture, etc. I'd like to know this person's name.
     
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